UN's security council votes against Israel's settlements, US refuses to veto...

[CountDeMoney]

As much as it wasn't wise for an Israeli PM to make things personal with a US President, it was probably worse for an American President to respond in kind.

Heebs hate darkies, film at 11. 

Word is even a lot of Democrats in Congress are struggling to support Obama on this, which also erodes any power he might have post-Presidency as a "unifying figure" in helping the Dems fix their house.

As much as the GOP evangelicals and their apocalyptic end-of-days Revelations fetish drives support for the Israelites in time to play Left Behind: The LARP, it's the Democrats that still have the edge when it comes to the Jewish donor class.  Of course they don't want to talk about it.

[Admiral Yi]

In my experience Heebs are about the least darkie hating group in the US.

[CountDeMoney]

In my experience Heebs are about the least darkie hating group in the US.

I guess all the slumlords out in Iowa are cheerful Calvinists.

[Admiral Yi]

I guess all the slumlords out in Iowa are cheerful Calvinists.

No such thing as a cheerful Calvinist.

[DGuller]

In my experience Heebs are about the least darkie hating group in the US.

I would say that's true when it comes to typical secular American-born Jews.  That's probably not true when it comes to typical religiously regressive ones.  And when it comes to typical Soviet immigrant Jews, they would make American white supremacists go "dude, you gotta ease up on that politically incorrect shit ".

[grumbler]

If Obama had been smart, he'd've said not a word.  He doesn't need to even comment on a non-action.

If Bibi had been smart, he'd not have indulged in the tears and war rhetoric.  He knows that the US will be surrendering its foreign interests to Russia and Israel in less than a month.  Who cares what New Zealand does if Bibi controls US Middle Eastern policy?

[OttoVonBismarck]

"Surrendering" should be "selling."

[Solmyr]

Crimea is different than Palestine because, AFAICT, most of the inhabitants self-identify, at least to some extent, as Russians.

Yeah, all the ones who didn't have been purged.

[Berkut]

Yeah, I think the entire "ethnic Russian" claim is complete bullshit.

There cannot possibly be a precedent set that says a nations sovereignty is dependent on them maintaining a minority of other ethnicities or language speakers in some given region, otherwise the "parent" ethnic nation has carte blanche to invade and grab that chunk of your country, if not all of it. Or engage in destabilization activities to put into into open conflict.

Obviously Putin, Trump, an Trumps loyal followers feel differently.

[grumbler]

Yeah, I think the entire "ethnic Russian" claim is complete bullshit.

There cannot possibly be a precedent set that says a nations sovereignty is dependent on them maintaining a minority of other ethnicities or language speakers in some given region, otherwise the "parent" ethnic nation has carte blanche to invade and grab that chunk of your country, if not all of it. Or engage in destabilization activities to put into into open conflict.

Obviously Putin, Trump, an Trumps loyal followers feel differently.

I think you are countering an argument no one has made.

[Berkut]

Yeah, I think the entire "ethnic Russian" claim is complete bullshit.

There cannot possibly be a precedent set that says a nations sovereignty is dependent on them maintaining a minority of other ethnicities or language speakers in some given region, otherwise the "parent" ethnic nation has carte blanche to invade and grab that chunk of your country, if not all of it. Or engage in destabilization activities to put into into open conflict.

Obviously Putin, Trump, an Trumps loyal followers feel differently.

I think you are countering an argument no one has made.

Yi said there was a difference with the Crimea because most of the people there self identified as Russian. I am saying I don't think that matters at all to the evaluation of whether or not Russia annexing the Crimea was something that the international community ought to accept.

I don't think it matters if there was 1 ethnic Russian in the Crimea or 5 million. I don't think it makes any difference. Borders mean something in the post-WW2 world, or they do not. If they do, then the existence of ethnic minorities or majorities in other countries should not matter.

And I think the ethnic minorities or language speakers being a justification for some kind of intervention and then annexation is in fact an argument being made, and has been made, by Putin and his propaganda machine for some time.

[Maximus]

Isn't that a fairly standard argument for nationalists?

[grumbler]

Yi said there was a difference with the Crimea because most of the people there self identified as Russian. I am saying I don't think that matters at all to the evaluation of whether or not Russia annexing the Crimea was something that the international community ought to accept.

I don't think it matters if there was 1 ethnic Russian in the Crimea or 5 million. I don't think it makes any difference. Borders mean something in the post-WW2 world, or they do not. If they do, then the existence of ethnic minorities or majorities in other countries should not matter.

And I think the ethnic minorities or language speakers being a justification for some kind of intervention and then annexation is in fact an argument being made, and has been made, by Putin and his propaganda machine for some time.

Yi was arguing about what the international community was going to get worked up about (which was my argument, also) and arguing against Otto's position that Israel could get away with annexing Palestine as easily as China got away with reconquering Tibet and Russia with repossessing the Crimea.  If you want to argue that Israel is in the same relationship to the West bank as Russia is to the Crimea, feel free.  Otherwise, you are arguing against a position no one is taking.

[derspiess]

And you have a rather bizarre way of supporting the Ukraine.

It's complicated.  I was certainly not in favor of the Russians seizing Crimea, but there's no practical way to get it back.  Plus, the will of the people living there should carry *some* weight.  I think Crimea is just a case where it's best to cut your losses and hold fast to what you still control (or can control).

[Berkut]

And you have a rather bizarre way of supporting the Ukraine.

It's complicated.  I was certainly not in favor of the Russians seizing Crimea, but there's no practical way to get it back.  Plus, the will of the people living there should carry *some* weight.  I think Crimea is just a case where it's best to cut your losses and hold fast to what you still control (or can control).

Supporting the guy who Putin wanted elected and then supporting him while he nominates Putin's choices for key cabinet positions is probably the very best way we can "hold fast", I am sure.