CIA: Senate briefed in September on Russian efforts to deliver a Trump victory

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QuoteSecret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House
the Washington Post
By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Greg Miller
December 9 at 7:36 PM

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton's chances.

"It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia's goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected," said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. "That's the consensus view."

The Obama administration has been debating for months how to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions, with White House officials concerned about escalating tensions with Moscow and being accused of trying to boost Clinton's campaign.

In September, during a secret briefing for congressional leaders, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) voiced doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to officials present.

The Trump transition team did not respond to a request for comment.

Trump has consistently dismissed the intelligence community's findings about Russian hacking. "I don't believe they interfered" in the election, he told Time magazine this week. The hacking, he said, "could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey."

The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill last week, in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources. Agency briefers told the senators it was now "quite clear" that electing Trump was Russia's goal, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

The CIA presentation to senators about Russia's intentions fell short of a formal U.S. assessment produced by all 17 intelligence agencies. A senior U.S. official said there were minor disagreements among intelligence officials about the agency's assessment, in part because some questions remain unanswered.

For example, intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin "directing" the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were "one step" removed from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.

Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has said in a television interview that the "Russian government is not the source."

The White House and CIA officials declined to comment.

On Friday, the White House said President Obama had ordered a "full review" of Russian hacking during the election campaign, as pressure from Congress has grown for greater public understanding of exactly what Moscow did to influence the electoral process.

"We may have crossed into a new threshold, and it is incumbent upon us to take stock of that, to review, to conduct some after-action, to understand what has happened and to impart some lessons learned," Obama's counterterrorism and homeland security adviser, Lisa Monaco, told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

Obama wants the report before he leaves office Jan. 20, Monaco said.

During her remarks, Monaco didn't address the latest CIA assessment, which hasn't been previously disclosed.

Seven Democratic senators last week asked Obama to declassify details about the intrusions and why officials believe that the Kremlin was behind the operation. Officials said Friday that the senators specifically were asking the White House to release portions of the CIA's presentation.

This week, top Democratic lawmakers in the House also sent a letter to Obama, asking for briefings on Russian interference in the election.

U.S. intelligence agencies have been cautious for months in characterizing Russia's motivations, reflecting the United States' long-standing struggle to collect reliable intelligence on President Vladi­mir Putin and those closest to him.

In previous assessments, the CIA and other intelligence agencies told the White House and congressional leaders that they believed Moscow's aim was to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system. The assessments stopped short of saying the goal was to help elect Trump.

On Oct. 7, the intelligence community officially accused Moscow of seeking to interfere in the election through the hacking of "political organizations." Though the statement never specified which party, it was clear that officials were referring to cyber-intrusions into the computers of the DNC and other Democratic groups and individuals.

Some key Republican lawmakers have continued to question the quality of evidence supporting Russian involvement.

"I'll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there's clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence — even now," said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. "There's a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that's it."

Though Russia has long conducted cyberspying on U.S. agencies, companies and organizations, this presidential campaign marks the first time Russia has attempted through cyber means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election, the officials said.

The reluctance of the Obama White House to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions before Election Day upset Democrats on the Hill as well as members of the Clinton campaign.

Within the administration, top officials from different agencies sparred over whether and how to respond. White House officials were concerned that covert retaliatory measures might risk an escalation in which Russia, with sophisticated cyber capabilities, might have less to lose than the United States, with its vast and vulnerable digital infrastructure.

The White House's reluctance to take that risk left Washington weighing more limited measures, including the "naming and shaming" approach of publicly blaming Moscow.

By mid-September, White House officials had decided it was time to take that step, but they worried that doing so unilaterally and without bipartisan congressional backing just weeks before the election would make Obama vulnerable to charges that he was using intelligence for political purposes.


Instead, officials devised a plan to seek bipartisan support from top lawmakers and set up a secret meeting with the Gang of 12 — a group that includes House and Senate leaders, as well as the ranking members of both chambers' committees on intelligence and homeland security.

Obama dispatched Monaco, FBI Director James B. Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to make the pitch for a "show of solidarity and bipartisan unity" against Russian interference in the election, according to a senior administration official.

Specifically, the White House wanted congressional leaders to sign off on a bipartisan statement urging state and local officials to take federal help in protecting their voting-registration and balloting machines from Russian cyber-intrusions.

Though U.S. intelligence agencies were skeptical that hackers would be able to manipulate the election results in a systematic way, the White House feared that Moscow would attempt to do so, sowing doubt about the fundamental mechanisms of democracy and potentially forcing a more dangerous confrontation between Washington and Moscow.

In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information, administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia's role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals.

And they made a case for a united, bipartisan front in response to what one official described as "the threat posed by unprecedented meddling by a foreign power in our election process."

The Democratic leaders in the room unanimously agreed on the need to take the threat seriously. Republicans, however, were divided, with at least two GOP lawmakers reluctant to accede to the White House requests.


According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.

Some of the Republicans in the briefing also seemed opposed to the idea of going public with such explosive allegations in the final stages of an election, a move that they argued would only rattle public confidence and play into Moscow's hands.

McConnell's office did not respond to a request for comment. After the election, Trump chose McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, as his nominee for transportation secretary.

Some Clinton supporters saw the White House's reluctance to act without bipartisan support as further evidence of an excessive caution in facing adversaries.

"The lack of an administration response on the Russian hacking cannot be attributed to Congress," said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, who was at the September meeting. "The administration has all the tools it needs to respond. They have the ability to impose sanctions. They have the ability to take clandestine means. The administration has decided not to utilize them in a way that would deter the Russians, and I think that's a problem."

HVC

For a party and a country that is so anti commie and anti Russia you guys sure glossed over the Putin love and Russian ties to hacking. I'd have thought the dems would have made a bigger stink. McCarthy is rolling in his grave.
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DontSayBanana

Way too little, way too late.  The only mechanism we've got left on nullifying a bad election is the electoral college, which is fickle and by no means a sure thing.
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CountDeMoney

So what's worse?

1) That Russia wasn't just acting in a mischievous manner to "sow doubt" in the entire process as a LOLmindfuck troll, but worked specifically for one candidate to win and the other to lose
2) That not only did Senate leadership know what was happening but they refused to do tell the American public, to the point that if we did find out, they would dismiss it as "an act of partisan politics"
3) That after 8 years, Obama still doesn't learn the lesson, and once again placed his faith in "bipartisanship" and gets bit in the ass

DontSayBanana

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2016, 10:25:11 PM
So what's worse?

1) That Russia wasn't just acting in a mischievous manner to "sow doubt" in the entire process as a LOLmindfuck troll, but worked specifically for one candidate to win and the other to lose
2) That not only did Senate leadership know what was happening but they refused to do tell the American public, to the point that if we did find out, they would dismiss it as "an act of partisan politics"
3) That after 8 years, Obama still doesn't learn the lesson, and once again placed his faith in "bipartisanship" and gets bit in the ass

I'm saying it's a damning autopsy that won't result in consequences for anyone.  Obama's gone in a month, no way in hell will this get senators impeached, and there's no do-over on a presidential election.  This could get a bunch of bastards voted out in two years, except the news cycle's attention span is so gnat-like that anybody who tries to bring this back up during midterms is gonna be painted as a crackpot.
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DGuller

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2016, 10:25:11 PM
3) That after 8 years, Obama still doesn't learn the lesson, and once again placed his faith in "bipartisanship" and gets bit in the ass
That is really disheartening.  I can understand being blindsided in 2009, but to still not realize in 2016 that Republicans are engaged in a full-blown insurgency with no rules is James Buchanan level of criminal incompetency.

alfred russel

I'm not sure what you guys think Obama should have done. It isn't as though Russia trying to meddle in the election was a secret pre election. Obama getting on a soapbox and screaming about it doesn't seem like a strategy that would persuade many eventual Trump voters.
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DGuller

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Spoken like a true Russian operative.
There is no need for covert Russian operatives these days.  It turns out that overt Russian operatives are much cheaper and just as effective.  :(

Razgovory

Hell, if the Soviets knew it would be this easy, they would have won the Cold War.
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HisMajestyBOB

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2016, 09:14:07 PM
This has been developing all day.

QuoteSecret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House
the Washington Post
...

In September, during a secret briefing for congressional leaders, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) voiced doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to officials present.
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Shit, if it let them pass tax cuts for the rich and end social programs, they'd hand over all our nukes and Alaska too. Gotta keep priorities straight.
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citizen k

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2016, 09:14:07 PM
This has been developing all day.

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"I'll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there's clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence — even now," said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. "There's a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that's it."


This would be the non-hysterical position to take.  :contract:

Razgovory

And what repercussions should there be for the Russians, those that collude with them and their beneficiaries if there is good intelligence.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

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Quote from: citizen k on December 10, 2016, 12:12:13 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2016, 09:14:07 PM
This has been developing all day.

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"I'll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there's clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence — even now," said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. "There's a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that's it."
This would be the non-hysterical position to take.  :contract:

But see: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-intelligence-chairman-russians-could-absolutely-be-trying-to-influence-us-election/

Interesting how the tune changes when the guy wearing the "R" is president elect
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