The Great White Wail: The Not-So-Silent White Majority

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Monoriu

Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
Free market capitalism, small government and our constitutional freedoms.

Sure.  I am for all these things too.  But Trump isn't.  Protectionism isn't free market capitalism.  Building a transcontinental wall isn't small government. 

Siege

So, DGullible, you think the alt right is worst than the ctrl left?

I think both are despicable.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


CountDeMoney

Quote from: Monoriu on November 20, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
Free market capitalism, small government and our constitutional freedoms.

Sure.  I am for all these things too.  But Trump isn't.  Protectionism isn't free market capitalism.  Building a transcontinental wall isn't small government.

Omitted constitutional freedoms reference noted.

Siege

Quote from: Monoriu on November 20, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
Free market capitalism, small government and our constitutional freedoms.

Sure.  I am for all these things too.  But Trump isn't.  Protectionism isn't free market capitalism.  Building a transcontinental wall isn't small government. 

Come on mono, you know perfectly well free trade aint free market. Free trade is opening the American market to foreign interests for free.

Free market is an internal system. Foreign trade should always be reciprocal and subject to tariffs if necessary.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Monoriu

Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 20, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
Free market capitalism, small government and our constitutional freedoms.

Sure.  I am for all these things too.  But Trump isn't.  Protectionism isn't free market capitalism.  Building a transcontinental wall isn't small government. 

Come on mono, you know perfectly well free trade aint free market. Free trade is opening the American market to foreign interests for free.

Free market is an internal system. Foreign trade should always be reciprocal and subject to tariffs if necessary.

What does free market mean?  Free market means free from government intervention in the supply and demand of goods.  Are you seriously telling me that tariffs isn't a form of government intervention? 

Siege

Quote from: Monoriu on November 20, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
Free market capitalism, small government and our constitutional freedoms.

Sure.  I am for all these things too.  But Trump isn't.  Protectionism isn't free market capitalism.  Building a transcontinental wall isn't small government. 

The wall is a defense system.  Every nation have the right to control its borders and have a say on who gets to come in.

This idea of an open border is a globalist manipulation to provide new democrat voters and cheap labor for the Republican chamber of commerce and its evil corporations.

Free market capitalism is a weak system that needs protection from communists, socialists and the crony capitalists and monopolistic corporations.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Siege

Quote from: Monoriu on November 20, 2016, 09:43:50 PM
Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 20, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
Free market capitalism, small government and our constitutional freedoms.

Sure.  I am for all these things too.  But Trump isn't.  Protectionism isn't free market capitalism.  Building a transcontinental wall isn't small government. 

Come on mono, you know perfectly well free trade aint free market. Free trade is opening the American market to foreign interests for free.

Free market is an internal system. Foreign trade should always be reciprocal and subject to tariffs if necessary.

What does free market mean?  Free market means free from government intervention in the supply and demand of goods.  Are you seriously telling me that tariffs isn't a form of government intervention? 

Don't let the ctrl left control your perception of what free market means. They want a globalized economy in which the US loses.

Free market, as I have come to define it recently, is a national economic system, and the government has to be its protector to guarantee it is free. But when it comes to international trade, the government function is to protect its national market, with tariffs if necessary, but not by default.

I am open to bilateral trade agreements which are fair. Not to unconditionally opening the American market to foreign interests for free.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Monoriu

Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:53:58 PM


Don't let the ctrl left control your perception of what free market means. They want a globalized economy in which the US loses.

Free market, as I have come to define it recently, is a national economic system, and the government has to be its protector to guarantee it is free. But when it comes to international trade, the government function is to protect its national market, with tariffs if necessary, but not by default.

I am open to bilateral trade agreements which are fair. Not to unconditionally opening the American market to foreign interests for free.

That's just a convoluted way of saying "I'm only for free market when it suits me". 

Admiral Yi

I think it means Trump will tell me in the future which trade deals I'm supposed to like and which I'm not.

Siege

Mono, as you know very well, free market capitalism is not unregulated or unprotected. We need regulations to protect our health, fair competitiveness, and avoid monopolies and price fixing.
When it comes to foreign trade, we need to protect our market from foreign currency manipulation, artificial low wages, etc.

Free market capitalism is a weak system constantly under attack from the left and the right.

There is a reason why no billionaire is in favor of free market. When you have made it, you become an enemy of the system and don't want any start up to disrupt your share of the market.

Now we Trump, we have an opportunity, but we have to keep the preasure on him so he have to fulfill his campaign promises. We have to keep his feet to the fire, so to speak.

Right now he is doing well picking up his cabinet, with sessions apparently in the bag, and Mad Dog Mattis probably as well, but Mitt Romney have been circling him, and if Romney gets a job in his administration we are going to the streets. That guy is fuckin traitor and a chamber of commerce hack. Fuck him side ways.
Romney sold out in his second debate with the community organizer in chief back in 2012 when he refused to drop the hammer.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Siege

Quote from: Monoriu on November 20, 2016, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:53:58 PM


Don't let the ctrl left control your perception of what free market means. They want a globalized economy in which the US loses.

Free market, as I have come to define it recently, is a national economic system, and the government has to be its protector to guarantee it is free. But when it comes to international trade, the government function is to protect its national market, with tariffs if necessary, but not by default.

I am open to bilateral trade agreements which are fair. Not to unconditionally opening the American market to foreign interests for free.

That's just a convoluted way of saying "I'm only for free market when it suits me". 

I am only for free market when it benefits America.

What's wrong with my position?


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

11B4V

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Jacob

Quote from: Siege on November 20, 2016, 09:53:58 PMI am open to bilateral trade agreements which are fair. Not to unconditionally opening the American market to foreign interests for free.

The funny thing is that in countries outside the US, the opposition to free trade agreements are based on not wanting to let the US reap inordinate benefits for free. You think you're getting screwed by the world - the rest of the world thinks you're screwing them.

When it comes to bilateral trade agreements, of course, the real beneficiaries are going to be the oligarchs next to Trump - you know, his kids and the billionaires he's appointing to top government positions.

Eddie Teach

To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?