What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Tamas]

So.... ICE randomly executing women on the school run.
That's.... Happening now.

I just want to make sure I understand your post - ICE killed a woman (or multiple women) taking their kids to school?

Yes.

https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F2026%2F01%2F07%2Fus%2Fvideo%2Fwoman-shot-killed-by-ice-officer-minneapolis-digvid-vrtc%3AagkSz_1h_l30xPO08J0-oZ7k4m8&cuid=6389897

They tried to force her out of her car, she panicked and tried to flee with her car, the ICE agent shot her dead through the car window.

[Grey Fox]

https://bsky.app/profile/phillewis.bsky.social/post/3mbu4pa7xpk25

Minneapolis's mayor has some words for ICE.

[Tamas]

Trump claims the ICE agent murdering the woman is recovering in hospital from being run over by the woman, when there are several camera angles online showing he wasn't even hit (nor was targeted to be hit). I know I should be used to it by now but every once in a while it is still blood boiling how this piece of shit has absolutely zero regard to what the truth is, even if said truth is available on camera.

[The Minsky Moment]

It's a miracle that something like this hasn't happened before.  The combination of badly trained and hastily recruited personnel armed to the teeth and directed to exert violent hostility against a civilian population can only end in this kind of incident.

[Tonitrus]

Tim Walz is already not running for re-election...if he has balls, Minnesota will issue an arrest warrant (even if it will likely not go anywhere) on the agent(s) involved.

[mongers]

It's a miracle that something like this hasn't happened before.  The combination of badly trained and hastily recruited personnel armed to the teeth and directed to exert violent hostility against a civilian population can only end in this kind of incident.

Sounds like it's working as designed, that is to strike terror into the civilian population, migrant or not.

[grumbler]

Tim Walz is already not running for re-election...if he has balls, Minnesota will issue an arrest warrant (even if it will likely not go anywhere) on the agent(s) involved.

Walz doesn't issue arrest warrants, and his State's Attorney isn't going to file to obtain a clearly impermissible warrant. The federal prosecutor can do so, however, and probably should.

[DGuller]

I fear that the ICE agent in this shooting will be judged justified to shoot, because there are plenty of precedents that a car moving at a cop is a deadly threat.  Personally, this rarely makes sense to me, because if you're in front of a car that's coming at you, you have to jump out of the way whether you shoot the driver or not.  If you still have to jump out of the way, then how does the logic of shooting to stop the threat work, if you're the only one in the path?

[grumbler]

I fear that the ICE agent in this shooting will be judged justified to shoot, because there are plenty of precedents that a car moving at a cop is a deadly threat.  Personally, this rarely makes sense to me, because if you're in front of a car that's coming at you, you have to jump out of the way whether you shoot the driver or not.  If you still have to jump out of the way, then how does the logic of shooting to stop the threat work, if you're the only one in the path?

I agree that the agent will not be found guilty of anything bar poor judgement, but simply filing the charges, even if they are dismissed, sends a message that ICE agents should not expect to kill people and shrug it off.

[saskganesh]

I'm not a lawyer obviously but there are precedents regarding the moving car defense. Plot spoiler: it doesn't exonerate the popo.

Anyway I watched the afterfootage of the murder of this white, blonde woman. The killer acted like he had done this before. Maybe he was pumped by adrenalin. High on his own supply. Like a lot of people with power these days. Happy fucking new year.

[PRC]

So many of these recent images of police, ICE and other federal agents all have dudes that look like they should be working checkstops in Kabul back in the day.  I imagine the majority of these guys are ex-military and bringing their training to bear, its like America is colonizing itself.

[The Minsky Moment]

I'm not a lawyer obviously but there are precedents regarding the moving car defense. Plot spoiler: it doesn't exonerate the popo.

Correct Supreme Court just addressed this in Barnes v. Felix
 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-1239_onjq.pdf

9-0 vote reserving lower court finding of no excessive force and remanding back.
In a situation that has some similarities the office jumped on the doorsill of the car as the suspect began to move the car.  The lower court held that because he may have felt in danger in that moment, force was justifiable.

Supreme Court reversed holding that you have to look at the totality of circumstances.  The particular circumstances the Supreme Court found pertinent would be very concerning for anyone representing this ICE agent: the "severity of the crime" (low to none here), giving warnings or otherwise trying to control the encounter (minimal to none), stopped person's conduct (she tried to drive away and in the opposite direction).

[DGuller]

I'm not a lawyer obviously but there are precedents regarding the moving car defense. Plot spoiler: it doesn't exonerate the popo.

Correct Supreme Court just addressed this in Barnes v. Felix
 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-1239_onjq.pdf

9-0 vote reserving lower court finding of no excessive force and remanding back.
In a situation that has some similarities the office jumped on the doorsill of the car as the suspect began to move the car.  The lower court held that because he may have felt in danger in that moment, force was justifiable.

Supreme Court reversed holding that you have to look at the totality of circumstances.  The particular circumstances the Supreme Court found pertinent would be very concerning for anyone representing this ICE agent: the "severity of the crime" (low to none here), giving warnings or otherwise trying to control the encounter (minimal to none), stopped person's conduct (she tried to drive away and in the opposite direction).

Happy to be wrong in this case.  As I said, I can't see how it can be justified even if the woman was 100% intentionally trying to flatten that guy (which of course she wasn't).  That guy had to jump out of the way no matter what, so how can necessity requirement be satisfied?  Police can only use deadly force to stop threats, they don't get a blank check to take you out just because you tried to take them out.

[Razgovory]

It used to be that police were really not suppose to shoot at moving vehicles unless the person in the vehicle had a deadly weapon other than the vehicle itself.

[Zoupa]

Police can only use deadly force to stop threats, they don't get a blank check to take you out just because you tried to take them out.

What does it matter? I guess you can waste 2 years in trials and procedures, but we all know trump is going to pardon the guy in any case.