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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Sheilbh

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 11, 2025, 08:47:34 PMSo you wanted to tell us you have something to say but would prefer not to say it?
Not really. What I had to say in that case was, literally, lol (with the colons).
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Richard Hakluyt

most of the good folk who comment at the Daily Mail think Starmer is a marxist. One has to wonder what their definition of marxist is? "Person i disagree with" perhaps  :hmm:

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Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 12, 2025, 05:15:42 AMmost of the good folk who comment at the Daily Mail think Starmer is a marxist. One has to wonder what their definition of marxist is? "Person i disagree with" perhaps  :hmm:


It is quite funny to see the far right and even supposed moderate right in general with these American talking points about the radical left running rampant.

I mean.
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Valmy

Considering the outrage and accusations of corruption with the weak sauce shit we did to hold Trump and the Jan 6 criminals accountable, I am highly doubtful anything will be done to get justice for the crimes of the current regime.

Law and justice mean nothing when the criminals and crimes are popular. Nothing ever happened to the politicians and crooked cops for all the terrible things they did during the Civil Rights era.
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Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2025, 02:09:04 PMLaw and justice mean nothing when the criminals and crimes are popular. Nothing ever happened to the politicians and crooked cops for all the terrible things they did during the Civil Rights era.

If that is the case, then the law is at fault, not the criminals. If people are okay with what they did, then it should be decriminalised. At the end of the day, the legal system is there to serve to the populace. It's why when the left celebrate legal victories in certain cases, it's more of a pyrrhic victory than they think they realise.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2025, 02:09:04 PMNothing ever happened to the politicians and crooked cops for all the terrible things they did during the Civil Rights era.

Mississippi Burning makes me think otherwise.

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Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 12, 2025, 05:15:42 AMmost of the good folk who comment at the Daily Mail think Starmer is a marxist. One has to wonder what their definition of marxist is? "Person i disagree with" perhaps  :hmm:


The same with globalist. It has sort of replaced international Jewry in the narrative.

I think Sir Keir Starmer's Marxist credentials are somewhat weak.  :lol:

Solmyr

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 12, 2025, 05:15:42 AMmost of the good folk who comment at the Daily Mail think Starmer is a marxist. One has to wonder what their definition of marxist is? "Person i disagree with" perhaps  :hmm:


Yes, same as "woke".

Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Norgy on Today at 04:50:52 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 12, 2025, 05:15:42 AMmost of the good folk who comment at the Daily Mail think Starmer is a marxist. One has to wonder what their definition of marxist is? "Person i disagree with" perhaps  :hmm:


The same with globalist. It has sort of replaced international Jewry in the narrative.

I think Sir Keir Starmer's Marxist credentials are somewhat weak.  :lol:

I think he would be too right wing to be in Ted Heath's cabinet back in the 1970s  :lol:

Sheilbh

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I think in a way there's something more telling about it (and I think Peter Hitchens in the Mail has actually spoken about this), because while Starmer is no way a Marxist now - he was, for three years, on the editorial board of one of the magazines of the Trotskyist left (and holidayed behind the iron curtain so is in intelligence files etc). Worth remembering that, at least in the UK, the first thing a group of te or more Trots will do is start a magazine - but also it is often the plausibly deniable part of their organisation (eg Militant - "we're not a party, we're just a magazine and distribution network").

But I think Hitchens point was less that it shows Starmer is the most successful sleeper agent ever (or at least since Harold Wilson :lol:), but that it shows the lightness of Starmer's politics. He was in those sort of circles in the 80s and was interested but not really engaged. Then in the 90s to 2021 his instinct is the sort of soft left/Guardian adjacent views you'd expect from a very successful human rights lawyer and the circles they were in - this is why (and the left are right on this) he ran for the leadership on a Corbynism without Corbyn ticket - he was very good friends with his neighbour, Ed Miliband for example. But I think it was a fairly unexamined politics. That failed so he turned to the Labour right and Blair who was Labour's last successful leader (I am still struck by just how many veterans from Blair's time in office dominate Number 10 now - it's unprecedented and weird) for advice and sort of goes along with them.

I think a big part of the problem he has is that he's not actually done much of the thinking himself. It's all sort of ambient politics. If you've thought through why you're a Trot, on the soft-left or on the Labour right (or, indeed, all three if you're David Blunkett) - you have a clear frame for politics. I think Starmer doesn't which is why things are so slow, he seems very impressionable and indecisive - but also I've read that civil servants don't know what policy options they should present to him (eg with Thatcher or Blair they clearly understood the government's agenda and tailored their options papers to it - they don't now).

So not a Marxist but I do think his Marxist phase is informative.

Edit: Or I suppose someone who's been a Trot, on the soft left and then Labour right indicates they've been "on a journey" and I'm not sure Starmer actually has. I think he's just moved house.
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On the subject of the 'homeless in America are really only the crazy ones', which I think was in another thread. This WP item was in inbox this morning, can't paste it all as it's paywalled, but you get the drift.

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Long Beach City College student Edgar Rosales Jr. works on homework in the back seat of his car.


LONG BEACH, Calif. — To most at Long Beach City College, there's nothing special about Parking Lot N — just another drab slab of asphalt near the center of campus.


But to Edgar Rosales Jr., the lot has been a lifeline. Each evening, around 8 p.m., it transforms into a refuge for students with nowhere else to go. For roughly a year, Rosales has joined handfuls of his classmates here, parking his gold '07 Lexus sedan in one of 15 spaces allotted to the school's homeless undergrads.

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