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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Savonarola

Now you may think Theodore Roosevelt writing the then definitive book on the Naval War of 1812, or Herbert Hoover writing the then standard textbook on mining engineering, or Thomas Jefferson inventing the cipher wheel were impressive intellectual feats, but none of them can hold up to: Donald J. Trump, world's foremost authority on grass:





In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Razgovory

Quote from: Sheilbh on August 22, 2025, 02:36:34 PMSimilar with Nvidia which got an export licence for a chip that had been restricted, 15% of the revenue will go to the US government. Something similar with AMD for one of its chips. Now this.

Capitalism with American characteristics (although as someone not opposed to state involvement in the economy and industrial policy, not totally opposed to the Intel one - the other two just seem like straight up bribes).
I wonder how Trump is getting his personal cut.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

Quote from: Razgovory on August 22, 2025, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 22, 2025, 02:36:34 PMSimilar with Nvidia which got an export licence for a chip that had been restricted, 15% of the revenue will go to the US government. Something similar with AMD for one of its chips. Now this.

Capitalism with American characteristics (although as someone not opposed to state involvement in the economy and industrial policy, not totally opposed to the Intel one - the other two just seem like straight up bribes).
I wonder how Trump is getting his personal cut.

They will have to pay the government's share in Trump Coins.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Norgy

I suppose we should all offer to build a Trump tower in our capitals.

And Norway's Nobel committee better go and hand him the Peace Prize for all his... work. :uffda:

I don't play golf. But I hear from friends who have taken to this ridiculous sport that cheating is rare. Trump is hardly caught on camera without his caddy helping him cheat.

Thing is, even though you want to, comrade, you can't put the world on cheat mode or god mode.

You've had a bad run of presidents since Bush senior, America. I wish you the best. Truly.

Valmy

We have had a bad run of Presidents since LBJ  :ph34r:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Norgy


Tamas

OMG. I feel humiliated just by watching a person humiliate themselves like this. WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1pml_7MDKM

Bauer

Quote from: Tamas on August 23, 2025, 10:54:15 AMOMG. I feel humiliated just by watching a person humiliate themselves like this. WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1pml_7MDKM

As much as I agree with you, I also think there's a non zero chance that trumps foolery actually succeeds with Putin.  And I'm not sure how i feel about that.

Tamas

Quote from: Bauer on August 23, 2025, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 23, 2025, 10:54:15 AMOMG. I feel humiliated just by watching a person humiliate themselves like this. WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1pml_7MDKM

As much as I agree with you, I also think there's a non zero chance that trumps foolery actually succeeds with Putin.  And I'm not sure how i feel about that.

Succeeds as in making him jolly? Yes. No Russian leader has ever managed to gain such influence over an American President. Or any foreign leader, probably.

Norgy

Catherine Belton's "Putin's People" more than hints at Trump being recruited, or at least that the KGB saw him as a recruit, in the 1980s and when his empire fell apart, he had very "helpful" investors who demanded nothing in return for the use of the name Trump on various building projects.

One aide is quoted saying "Donald was never big on due diligence".

Make of it what you will.

Bauer

Quote from: Tamas on August 23, 2025, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Bauer on August 23, 2025, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 23, 2025, 10:54:15 AMOMG. I feel humiliated just by watching a person humiliate themselves like this. WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1pml_7MDKM

As much as I agree with you, I also think there's a non zero chance that trumps foolery actually succeeds with Putin.  And I'm not sure how i feel about that.

Succeeds as in making him jolly? Yes. No Russian leader has ever managed to gain such influence over an American President. Or any foreign leader, probably.

Succeeds as in Putin may actually listen to him in some aspect - at least more than other real democratic leaders - and potentially an end to the war results.  Even if a very shitty end to the war it would still be spin doctored as the greatest peace deal ever.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Bauer on August 23, 2025, 12:43:54 PMSucceeds as in Putin may actually listen to him in some aspect - at least more than other real democratic leaders - and potentially an end to the war results.  Even if a very shitty end to the war it would still be spin doctored as the greatest peace deal ever.

we all know that an end to the war that doesn't result in a resounding defeat of the russians and them being ejected from all of Ukraine is just the prelude to another war.

Tamas

Quote from: Norgy on August 23, 2025, 12:11:01 PMCatherine Belton's "Putin's People" more than hints at Trump being recruited, or at least that the KGB saw him as a recruit, in the 1980s and when his empire fell apart, he had very "helpful" investors who demanded nothing in return for the use of the name Trump on various building projects.

One aide is quoted saying "Donald was never big on due diligence".

Make of it what you will.


This episode of him and the photo of "a man called Vladimir Putin" has unfortunately convinced me thst he is not a Russian agent in the sense that he is not being blackmailed into doing the things he is doing. He genuinely looks up to Putin with a man crush burning as much as it only can in a demented brain.

grumbler

Trump might actually be unwittingly backing Putin into a corner by making all these claims about what Putin has agreed to. If Putin accepts The Donald's version of events, Putin loses the war. If he objects, he looks like the obstructionist villain of the piece.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Sheilbh

Quote from: Tamas on August 23, 2025, 02:02:00 PMThis episode of him and the photo of "a man called Vladimir Putin" has unfortunately convinced me thst he is not a Russian agent in the sense that he is not being blackmailed into doing the things he is doing. He genuinely looks up to Putin with a man crush burning as much as it only can in a demented brain.
Well also I always think if Trump is a Russian asset, then running him must be the worst job in the FSB. Because surely you'd just be saying "could you make it less obvious" :lol:

I think Putin knows how to play him to be honest - and that is Putin's strength. He is a very Chekist version of a "people person". He knows how to use people - and I think Trump likes being "one of the lads" with Putin and Xi as strongmen.

I would add that as a Russian asset his first term was also not great. Despite Trump the record of those four years was sending vastly more lethal aid to Ukraine and imposing more sanctions on Russia than was done by Obama (plus getting significant increases in European defence spending) which feels like a bit of an FSB failure if they're trying to run him. Again, even now, if Europe hits the targets it has set in a panic and under pressure, then a Europe that is spending 5% on defence is objectively bad for Russia.
Let's bomb Russia!