What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Savonarola

Kristi Noem's statement spells out the administration's intent concerning all of higher education:

Quote"This administration is holding Harvard accountable for fostering violence, antisemitism, and coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party on its campus," said DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. "It is a privilege, not a right, for universities to enroll foreign students and benefit from their higher tuition payments to help pad their multibillion-dollar endowments. Harvard had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing. It refused. They have lost their Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification as a result of their failure to adhere to the law. Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country."
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HVC

Thanks Raz. Wonder how much further it'll go. Courts are involved now, but orders would still have to be followed. And who'd enforce that? The courts? Gets kind of circular real fast.
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Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: HVC on May 22, 2025, 02:53:06 PMSorry, but was it specific demand? Like the DEI he was gung ho about 2 or so months ago, or something? was it just a general not bowing deep enough or ring kissing like Baron said?

The latest incident is that DHS wanted access to international student disciplinary records, and possibly other information.  basically, they wanted to use Harvard to help spy on international students and determine who the undesirables are.  Harvard, again, told them to fuck off.  So, now the Trump regime has decided Harvard is no longer allowed to have international students.

I think I should have used "bend the knee" instead of "kiss the ring".  It's about subservience rather than loyalty.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: grumbler on May 22, 2025, 03:12:19 PMHe doesn't have the power, just the ability. This won't stand up in court.

Sure, but who's going to enforce it?  This regime has been ignoring courts for months, and I'm not sure how a court would even be able to enforce a contempt order at this point.

Norgy

Quote from: Savonarola on May 22, 2025, 03:25:19 PMKristi Noem's statement spells out the administration's intent concerning all of higher education:

Quote"This administration is holding Harvard accountable for fostering violence, antisemitism, and coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party on its campus," said DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. "It is a privilege, not a right, for universities to enroll foreign students and benefit from their higher tuition payments to help pad their multibillion-dollar endowments. Harvard had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing. It refused. They have lost their Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification as a result of their failure to adhere to the law. Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country."

You have got to be joking.
I am cancelling my Harvard Business Review subscription now. Since it's communist.

I have been reluctant to use the term fascism, since I am of the opinion that we're emptying the the term of real meaning, using it too much about what is just authoritarianism.

I do, though, now think the GOP is harbouring fascists, though they may identify more as Christian nationalists and feel closer to Rushdooney than Mussolini.

The Minsky Moment

SEVP certification can only be revoked "out of cycle" (i.e. without a pending recertification application) upon advance notice and includes a right to submit opposing evidence and a right to appeal any adverse decision.  That alone renders the DHS action unlawful.

Substantively the grounds for revocation are broad including "any valid and substantive reason" but I don't think Havard would have much difficulty proving this was an arbitrary and capricious agency action.  The context of the regulation indicates "valid" relates to the ability to provide appropriate educational services and file required reports.

In addition the DHS decision suffers from the same First Amendment problems that have rendered the EOs attacking the universities DOA for those institutions with sufficient virtual balls to oppose them.
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The Minsky Moment

I was amused to see that the admin's "case" against Harvard relies heavily on allegations of alleged discrmination by the Harvard Law Review.  The Review is student run and is entirely independent from the university and the Law School, with its own independent board of directors and budget.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Savonarola on May 22, 2025, 03:25:19 PMKristi Noem's statement spells out the administration's intent concerning all of higher education:

Quote"This administration is holding Harvard accountable for fostering violence, antisemitism, and coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party on its campus," said DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. "It is a privilege, not a right, for universities to enroll foreign students and benefit from their higher tuition payments to help pad their multibillion-dollar endowments. Harvard had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing. It refused. They have lost their Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification as a result of their failure to adhere to the law. Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country."
You know, the single foreign greatest contributor to American higher education is Qatar not China.  They've shoveled billions into US schools and there is a correlation between Universities that get Qatari money and antisemitism.  If they really wanted to do something about antisemitism, they might want to look there.  But the 400 million dollar plane says "no". 
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viper37

Seems all these Afrikaaners getting killed were in fact white Congolese.

March 23 Movement was involved in these killings. It's supported by Rwanda.

Also, these bags weren't filled with White people.
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Bauer

Quote from: viper37 on May 22, 2025, 06:52:56 PMSeems all these Afrikaaners getting killed were in fact white Congolese.

March 23 Movement was involved in these killings. It's supported by Rwanda.

Also, these bags weren't filled with White people.


I haven't seen anything about the killings being of white people per se other than being part of a bunch of people killed, unless you've seen something I haven't.  But definitely the body bags Trump showed are confirmed to be in the Congo.  The crosses he showed were a memorial (not graves) to a single white Afrikaner couple killed.

I thought Ramaphosa conducted himself well and eloquently in that meeting, but as usual the maga cult is simply incapable of seeing that.

viper37

Quote from: Bauer on May 22, 2025, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 22, 2025, 06:52:56 PMSeems all these Afrikaaners getting killed were in fact white Congolese.

March 23 Movement was involved in these killings. It's supported by Rwanda.

Also, these bags weren't filled with White people.


I haven't seen anything about the killings being of white people per se other than being part of a bunch of people killed, unless you've seen something I haven't.  But definitely the body bags Trump showed are confirmed to be in the Congo.  The crosses he showed were a memorial (not graves) to a single white Afrikaner couple killed.

I thought Ramaphosa conducted himself well and eloquently in that meeting, but as usual the maga cult is simply incapable of seeing that.
I thought he implied all the bodies were white farmers.  I must have misunderstood.
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viper37

'Hidden' Provision in Trump's Big Bill Could Disarm US Supreme Court

Sneaky Donnie.

QuoteA provision "hidden" in the sweeping budget bill that passed the U.S. House on Thursday seeks to limit the ability of courts—including the U.S. Supreme Court—from enforcing their orders.

"No court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued," the provision in the bill, which is more than 1,000 pages long, says.
The provision "would make most existing injunctions—in antitrust cases, police reform cases, school desegregation cases, and others—unenforceable," Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the University of California Berkeley School of Law, told Newsweek. "It serves no purpose but to weaken the power of the federal courts."
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Zoupa

Doesn't matter, it's already been empirically proven that you can ignore a court's order without consequences.

Once the rule of law goes, that pretty much curtains on democracy.

Zanza

Destroying America as the place were the best and brightest go to study and research will have a profound long-term effect. These idiots have a completely warped view on where American strength comes from.

Syt

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