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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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The Larch

Talking about Trump and architecture...

QuoteTrump issues order to demand new US federal buildings be 'beautiful'
Long-expected executive order disparages architectural modernism but critics say Trump's decree 'mostly symbolic'

Donald Trump decreed on Monday that all new US federal buildings should be "beautiful", in a long-expected executive order which excoriated architectural modernism but stopped short of demanding that all such projects should be in the classical style.

The Pulitzer prize-winning architectural critic Paul Goldberger said the order was "mostly symbolic" and "just a chance [for Trump] to lob another grenade on his way out the door".

When a draft of the order first surfaced, in February, critics reacted with horror to its promise to "make federal buildings beautiful again" by mandating a return to "the classical architectural style".

Both the American Institute of Architects and the National Trust for Historic Preservation objected, while Goldberger told the Guardian the problem was "not with classical architecture per se", but that "the mandating of an official style is not fully compatible with 21st-century liberal democracy".

Ten months later, and with the end of Trump's time in office looming, the finished order arrived.

Its text extols examples of classical US public architecture including "the Second Bank of the United States in Philadelphia, the Pioneer Courthouse in Portland, Oregon, and the Thurgood Marshall United States Courthouse in New York City".

"In Washington DC," it adds, "classical buildings such as the White House, the Capitol building, the supreme court, the Department of the Treasury and the Lincoln Memorial have become iconic symbols of our system of government."

It also bemoans buildings put up from the 1950s onwards, "from the undistinguished to designs even [the General Services Administration] now admits many in the public found unappealing".

"Encouraging classical and traditional architecture does not exclude using most other styles of architecture where appropriate," the order says. "Care must be taken, however, to ensure that all federal building designs command respect of the general public for their beauty and visual embodiment of America's ideals."

Saying the GSA must seek public and staff input on designs, the order also establishes a "President's Council on Improving Federal Civic Architecture", meant to police if not forbid outright any federal project "that diverges from the preferred architecture set forth in ... this order, including brutalist or deconstructivist architecture or any design derived from or related to these types of architecture".

Given his career in real estate developments marked by a love for gold, gilt, black marble and baroque excess, not to mention the brutal treatment of beloved old buildings, Trump's professed love for classicism has attracted critical comment.

Some federal projects in neoclassical style have been initiated but the inauguration of Joe Biden on 20 January may spell the end of Trump's attempt to impose "beautiful" buildings by order.

On Monday, Goldberger wrote on Twitter: "This is weakened from the original proposal and in any case is mostly symbolic, just a chance to lob another grenade on his way out the door. I don't think it means too much. And unlike last-minute pardons, the next administration can mitigate its impact, or reverse it."

Before the order was issued, a Democratic member of Congress, Dina Titus of Nevada, introduced legislation to stop the GSA blocking modernist designs.

"Imposing a preferred architectural style for federal facilities runs counter to our nation's democratic traditions," Titus said in a letter to the GSA administrator, Emily Murphy, reported by Bloomberg News.

"Attempting to implement this misguided mandate from Washington DC by circumventing Congress and gutting decades of GSA policy and practice without any public notice or hearing is even worse."

celedhring

Quote from: The Larch on December 25, 2020, 06:55:24 AM
Talking about Trump and architecture...

Quoteto police if not forbid outright any federal project "that diverges from the preferred architecture set forth in ... this order, including brutalist or deconstructivist architecture or any design derived from or related to these types of architecture".

Sheilbh won't be posting many pictures of US federal buildings I guess.  :P

Caliga

I mean, real estate is the one thing that Trump sort of actually knows something about...
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garbon

Quote from: Caliga on December 25, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
I mean, real estate is the one thing that Trump sort of actually knows something about...

Counterpoint: Look at the monstrosities he built.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: celedhring on December 25, 2020, 07:33:13 AM
Sheilbh won't be posting many pictures of US federal buildings I guess.  :P
:lol: I have many opinions about that Trump order - not all of them negative. Brutalism and deconstructivist architecture has its place but it doesn't need to be everywhere.

My main bugbear at the minute is the dominance of boring steel and glass Richard Rogers/Norman Foster designs (I also have a slight irritations with the fact that the made a big deal in the 80s of refusing British government commissions because of how awful Margaret Thatcher was, but instead pivoted to building very impressive structures in Shanghai :lol:).

I actually think post-modernism is due a revival and it could include ALL of the preferred architecture styles Trump's identified :o
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I'll leave it to my artistic betters to comment on the aesthetic qualities of the Marshall courthouse. 
However . . .   the renovations costs were extreme and the acoustics of the courtrooms are terrible.
The newer style Moynihan courthouse - built in the 90s - may not be at risk of winning architectural awards, but the interior spaces are functional and the courtrooms are well set up.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 25, 2020, 01:43:30 PM
I'll leave it to my artistic betters to comment on the aesthetic qualities of the Marshall courthouse. 
However . . .   the renovations costs were extreme and the acoustics of the courtrooms are terrible.
The newer style Moynihan courthouse - built in the 90s - may not be at risk of winning architectural awards, but the interior spaces are functional and the courtrooms are well set up.
I looked up both of them and I think both would be allowed under Trump's rules. Moynihan looks a bit like a 90s take on Art Deco (it's not playful enough to be full pomo pastiche) - I quite like it :blush:
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Josquius

It only took 4 years but trump did something good.
Would like to see similar in the UK. Outlawing those spiky metal fences that are absolutely everywhere for one thing.
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Valmy

Quote from: Tyr on December 28, 2020, 11:25:41 AM
It only took 4 years but trump did something good.
Would like to see similar in the UK. Outlawing those spiky metal fences that are absolutely everywhere for one thing.

What did he do good?
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Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2020, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 28, 2020, 11:25:41 AM
It only took 4 years but trump did something good.
Would like to see similar in the UK. Outlawing those spiky metal fences that are absolutely everywhere for one thing.

What did he do good?
I b elieve he is referencing the weird decree on federal buildings.

Although brutalism does suck.
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Monoriu



I love his interior design.  It is pleasing.