What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Syt

The Alabama Hurricane thing summed up by Seth Myers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nfiyLQwXHE

This is ... insane.
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The Minsky Moment

Trump admin filed a brief with the Supreme Court arguing that Title VII permits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-1618/113417/20190823143040818_17-1618bsacUnitedStates.pdf

I'm sure there is some reason why a gay person would vote for Trump.  Civil rights are nice and all but what is dignity really worth when measured against a write off for passive investment income?
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The Larch

I really want to believe that 90% of the stupid shit Trump says is just smoke screens to cover the nefarious stuff his administration gets away with, and not something genuinely thought...

QuoteTrump explains his distinctive orange hue: it's the lightbulbs
President says energy-efficient bulbs do him no favours
'The light's no good. I always look orange. And so do you!'

It's been the subject of intense debate among late-night comedians and Donald Trump's many online critics: why, in certain circumstances, does the president of the United States sometimes appear ... orange?

Now Trump himself has come up with an answer – and it's not one anyone was expecting. The problem, apparently, is energy-efficient lightbulbs.

Talking before an audience of Republican legislators in Baltimore on Thursday night, Trump gave a rambling speech in which he tackled criticism of his recent plans to weaken regulations on environmentally friendly bulbs.

"The lightbulb," the president began. "People said: what's with the lightbulb? I said: here's the story. And I looked at it. The bulb that we're being forced to use! No 1, to me, most importantly, the light's no good. I always look orange. And so do you! The light is the worst."

Valmy

He is nuts. LED lights have awesome light quality and it is easily adjustable.

This is an old whine about the CFLs. Even his old man whines are out of date.
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The Minsky Moment

QuoteDonald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump  Sep 12

European Central Bank, acting quickly, Cuts Rates 10 Basis Points. They are trying, and succeeding, in depreciating the Euro against the VERY strong Dollar, hurting U.S. exports.... And the Fed sits, and sits, and sits. They get paid to borrow money, while we are paying interest!

I try to avoid indulging in schadenfreude but it's hard to resist smiling as Trump writhes in a trap of his own making:
1) He takes office with a strong, respected Fed chair who shares his dovish outlook - Janet Yellen.  But even after acknowledging her fitness for the job he fires her for the sole reason that Obama appointed her.  He replaced her with Jay Powell, a attorney who lacks Yellen's prestige as a monetary economist and must rely on consensus in the FOMC.
2) He rams through an enormous unfunded tax cut - piling onto an already wide budget deficit in the context of a historically long boom cycle.

Those two moves pretty much guaranteed that US interest rates would stay high relative to the rest of the OECD. The Fed looks at the economy and sees historically low unemployment and good growth numbers.  It's hard to make the case for rate cuts. Even if Powell thought otherwise, the Chair is more of a primus inter pares and he lacks the professional clout to push the Committee.

The ECB is looking at a different environment - stagnant growth and recessionary dangers across the EZ and continuing fiscal austerity in the core (Germany).

Trump's macro policy is totally at odds with his obsession over balance on the current account.
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FunkMonk

Justin Trudeau covered completely in blackface and dressed as Aladdin back in 2001 just broke.

The leaders of the English-speaking Atlantic countries must have some sort of competition. Trump is only the most embarrassing figure of a sorry bunch of idiots.
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Oexmelin

"Oh, I'm sorry. Nobody in front of Congress has ever lied to the public before. I'm sorry,"

From Corey Lewandowski's testimony.
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Razgovory

You know, the Capital is equipped with cells for people who are in contempt of congress...

Oh, and this is happening

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trumps-communications-with-foreign-leader-are-part-of-whistleblower-complaint-that-spurred-standoff-between-spy-chief-and-congress-former-officials-say/2019/09/18/df651aa2-da60-11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html

QuoteThe whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump's communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Trump's interaction with the foreign leader included a "promise" that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community, said the former officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

It was not immediately clear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what he pledged to deliver, but his direct involvement in the matter has not been previously disclosed. It raises new questions about the president's handling of sensitive information and may further strain his relationship with U.S. spy agencies. One former official said the communication was a phone call.

The White House declined to comment. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence and a lawyer representing the whistleblower declined to comment.

Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of "urgent concern," a legal threshold that ordinarily requires notification of congressional oversight committees.

But acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire has refused to share details about Trump's alleged transgression with lawmakers, touching off a legal and political dispute that has spilled into public and prompted speculation that the spy chief is improperly protecting the president.

The dispute is expected to escalate Thursday when Atkinson is scheduled to appear before the House Intelligence Committee in a classified session closed to the public. The hearing is the latest move by committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) to compel U.S. intelligence officials to disclose the full details of the whistleblower complaint to Congress.

Maguire has agreed to testify before the committee next week, according to a statement by Schiff. He declined to comment for this story.

The inspector general "determined that this complaint is both credible and urgent," Schiff said in the statement released Wednesday evening. "The committee places the highest importance on the protection of whistleblowers and their complaints to Congress."

The complaint was filed with Atkinson's office on Aug. 12, a date on which Trump was at his golf resort in New Jersey. White House records indicate that Trump had had conversations or interactions with at least five foreign leaders in the preceding five weeks.

Among them was a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin that the White House initiated on July 31. Trump also received at least two letters from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un during the summer, describing them as "beautiful" messages. In June, Trump said publicly that he was opposed to certain CIA spying operations against North Korea. Referring to a Wall Street Journal report that the agency had recruited Kim's half-brother, Trump said, "I would tell him that would not happen under my auspices."

Trump met with other foreign leaders at the White House in July, including the prime minister of Pakistan, the prime minister of the Netherlands, and the emir of Qatar.

Trump's handling of classified information has been a source of concern to U.S. intelligence officials since the outset of his presidency. In May 2017, Trump revealed classified information about espionage operations in Syria to senior Russian officials in the Oval Office, disclosures that prompted a scramble among White House officials to contain the potential damage.

Statements and letters exchanged between the offices of the DNI and the House Intelligence Committee in recent days have pointed at the White House without directly implicating the president.

Schiff has said he was told that the complaint concerned "conduct by someone outside of the Intelligence Community." Jason Klitenic, the DNI general counsel, noted in a letter sent to congressional leaders on Tuesday that the activity at the root of the complaint "involves confidential and potentially privileged communications."

The dispute has put Maguire, thrust into the DNI job in an acting capacity with the resignation of Daniel Coats last month, at the center of a politically perilous conflict with constitutional implications.

Schiff has demanded full disclosure of the whistleblower complaint. Maguire has defended his refusal by asserting that the subject of the complaint is beyond his jurisdiction.

Defenders of Maguire disputed that he is subverting legal requirements to protect Trump, saying that he is trapped in a legitimate legal predicament and that he has made his displeasure clear to officials at the Justice Department and White House.

After fielding the complaint on Aug. 12, Atkinson submitted it to Maguire two weeks later. By law, Maguire is required to transmit such complaints to Congress within seven days. But in this case, he refrained from doing so after turning for legal guidance to officials at the Justice Department.

In a sign of Atkinson's discomfort with this situation, the inspector general informed the House and Senate intelligence committees of the existence of the whistleblower complaint — without revealing its substance — in early September.

Schiff responded with almost immediate indignation, firing off a letter demanding a copy of the complaint and warning that he was prepared to subpoena senior U.S. intelligence officials. The DNI has asserted that lawyers determined there was no notification requirement because the whistleblower complaint did not constitute an urgent concern that was "within the responsibility and authority" of Maguire's office.

Legal experts said there are scenarios in which a president's communications with a foreign leader could rise to the level of an "urgent concern" for the intelligence community, but they also noted that the president has broad authority to decide unilaterally when to classify or declassify information.

Revealing how the United States obtained sensitive information could "compromise intelligence means and methods and potentially the lives of sources," said Joel Brenner, former inspector general for the National Security Agency.

It was unclear whether the whistleblower witnessed Trump's communication with the foreign leader or learned of it through other means. Summaries of such conversations are often distributed among White House staff, although the administration imposed new limits on this practice after Trump's disclosures to Russian officials were revealed.

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Quote from: Oexmelin on September 18, 2019, 08:35:53 PM
"Oh, I'm sorry. Nobody in front of Congress has ever lied to the public before. I'm sorry,"

From Corey Lewandowski's testimony.

Shit gets a bad rap.  It can be pretty useful stuff, natural fertilizers and all.

When shit pieces are talking amongst themselves and really want to insult someone, they call them pieces of Lewandowski.
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The Brain

Quote from: FunkMonk on September 18, 2019, 08:03:56 PM
Justin Trudeau covered completely in blackface and dressed as Aladdin back in 2001 just broke.

The leaders of the English-speaking Atlantic countries must have some sort of competition. Trump is only the most embarrassing figure of a sorry bunch of idiots.

Which year did he decide to go into politics?
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Barrister

Quote from: The Brain on September 19, 2019, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 18, 2019, 08:03:56 PM
Justin Trudeau covered completely in blackface and dressed as Aladdin back in 2001 just broke.

The leaders of the English-speaking Atlantic countries must have some sort of competition. Trump is only the most embarrassing figure of a sorry bunch of idiots.

Which year did he decide to go into politics?

He'd been low-level involved in the Liberal Party pretty much forever, but he first ran in Parliament in 2008.
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Quote from: FunkMonk on September 18, 2019, 08:03:56 PM
Justin Trudeau covered completely in blackface and dressed as Aladdin back in 2001 just broke.


Not to be obtuse, but why is this offensive?

My understanding was that blackface is offensive because of the history of white actors caricaturing black people in minstrel shows, etc. I don't think there is a similar history with people of middle eastern descent. If there is an offensive caricature--it is arguably the Aladdin franchise itself rather than brownface.

I know better than to dress up as Trudeau did in 2001 -- the response would be negative (obviously) -- the disapproval for blackface extends to other ethnicities. I'm not sure that was the case in 2001.
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The Brain

Mad Men had blackface, and that's a very respected TV series.
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