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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Just out: US trade deficit $55.5bn in May, up $4.3bn from April. Imports jump $8.5bn - double the $4.2bn increase in exports #useconomy

Damn it, all those evil foreign liberal regimes forcing American patriots to buy their substandard goods.

Luckily President Trumpet will get show them what's what.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

crazy canuck

Quote from: Tamas on July 03, 2019, 06:13:02 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2019, 05:28:25 AM
So the citizenship question will not feature on the census.

I appreciate the concern about the question but not census-ing whether the replying person is a citizen is just silly.


I am increasingly wondering whether aspects of the politics legislature of the US (and the UK in fact) are showing signs that they'll remain flexible in a changing world and will adopt to the new global world better, or instead they show sign of being increasingly out of touch with the necessities and problems of the modern world.

You might want to read why the question should not be included before you make a statement like that.  Just google, you will find plenty of links describing the issue.  Also, you should reflect on the fact that Roberts sided with the no side and read some analysis of why that occurred.  It is not as silly as you seem to think.

DGuller

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 03, 2019, 01:19:48 AM
I didn't get it either.
Cliff notes:  Suppression usually works if committed to.  Soviet Union fell because it was not committed to suppression under Gorbachev.  China is unlikely to make that mistake, especially in this political climate.

Threviel

Justinian would be a good historical comparison. Theodora was ready to commit and Belisarius committed.

dps

Interesting that DGuller thinks that not suppressing dissent is a mistake.  :)

Tamas

There's no general rule like that, Dorseyguller.   :P

The Soviets probably decide against suppression in the late 80s because they knew full well their economy was crumbling. China faces no economic existential threat so yes they will almost certainly decide to use force.

katmai

Justin Amash in an editorial he wrote for today's Washington Post announced he was leaving the GOP
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The Brain

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katmai

Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2019, 07:10:26 AM
Who or what is Justin Amash?
he was the only GOP representative to call for impeachment hearings. From Michigan with Libertarian leanings. Apparently AmScip has known him/his family (?) since way back in day. 
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Tamas

Quote from: katmai on July 04, 2019, 07:42:09 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2019, 07:10:26 AM
Who or what is Justin Amash?
he was the only GOP representative to call for impeachment hearings. From Michigan with Libertarian leanings. Apparently AmScip has known him/his family (?) since way back in day.

Putting principle before short-term self-interest? Clearly not a modern politician.

The Brain

Quote from: katmai on July 04, 2019, 07:42:09 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2019, 07:10:26 AM
Who or what is Justin Amash?
he was the only GOP representative to call for impeachment hearings. From Michigan with Libertarian leanings. Apparently AmScip has known him/his family (?) since way back in day.

He sounds like a Bond movie. Also clearly not the makings of a modern GOP politician.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

DGuller

Quote from: dps on July 03, 2019, 11:56:18 PM
Interesting that DGuller thinks that not suppressing dissent is a mistake.  :)
:jaron:

DGuller

Quote from: Tamas on July 04, 2019, 05:02:51 AM
There's no general rule like that, Dorseyguller.   :P

The Soviets probably decide against suppression in the late 80s because they knew full well their economy was crumbling. China faces no economic existential threat so yes they will almost certainly decide to use force.
The Soviets did use suppression, they just didn't commit to it.  That's why it was a mistake; a half-assed suppression of widespread protests just pisses people off without actually sufficiently scaring them off.  Another example is Yanukovich in 2014, where his police forces did engage in brutality, but couldn't muster a wholesale crackdown (probably because that would trigger mutiny).  In the end he just added fuel to the Maidan fire.

Tamas

Quote from: DGuller on July 04, 2019, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 04, 2019, 05:02:51 AM
There's no general rule like that, Dorseyguller.   :P

The Soviets probably decide against suppression in the late 80s because they knew full well their economy was crumbling. China faces no economic existential threat so yes they will almost certainly decide to use force.
The Soviets did use suppression, they just didn't commit to it.  That's why it was a mistake; a half-assed suppression of widespread protests just pisses people off without actually sufficiently scaring them off.  Another example is Yanukovich in 2014, where his police forces did engage in brutality, but couldn't muster a wholesale crackdown (probably because that would trigger mutiny).  In the end he just added fuel to the Maidan fire.

Fair enough, but of course as your Yanukovich speculation points out, these things must be very fluid and what seems like a lack of will to crack down might had been a very convinved will to crack down, that simply could not "propagate down" the ranks.

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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