What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Berkut]

Isn't that the message of everyone who has chosen to kneel?

I don't see how kneeling during the anthem sends the message you like America.

It isn't sending a message that they don't like America. And I don't see any reason to just assume they don't, do you?

[Berkut]

What message do you think it sends?

Until this problem gets fixed, fuck America.

You could just ask them what message they are trying to send.

It isn't even that hard to figure out.

The anthem and flag represent an ideal of what America should be - they are saying that America is not living up to that ideal, and they are going to respectfully point that out by NOT standing in an effort to draw attention to a failure of our aspiration to realize that.

They are, in fact, a hell of a lot more about the American Ideal than Trump or those calling for them to be fired or suggesting that they leave if they don't like it. Those sentiments are downright UN-American.

[Admiral Yi]

No need to ask them since you're here to tell me. 

[Admiral Yi]

Saw a clip on Sports Center of one Steeler lineman (white) who stood in the runway during the anthem.

[Berkut]

No need to ask them since you're here to tell me. 

It's interesting that you don't actually care what they are trying to say, you just care about what you want them to be trying to say.

You don't have to listen to me - I am just repeating what they have already said. It's not like it is some kind of mystery, or hard to figure out.

Their motivation is perfectly clear, because they have said what it is - what is your motivation for demanding that they mean something they have never said, and have in fact explicitly denied that they mean?

[PDH]

Berk, they are uppity. What, calling for real equality and shit.

[CountDeMoney]

Love It or Yi It!

[Admiral Yi]

It's interesting that you don't actually care what they are trying to say, you just care about what you want them to be trying to say.

You don't have to listen to me - I am just repeating what they have already said. It's not like it is some kind of mystery, or hard to figure out.

Their motivation is perfectly clear, because they have said what it is - what is your motivation for demanding that they mean something they have never said, and have in fact explicitly denied that they mean?

By "demand" I assume you mean "state a position I disagree with."

The meaning of symbolic acts is not determined unilaterally.  The viewers of that symbolic act will interpret it based on their set of values and beliefs.  I could take a shit on your grandmother's grave and claim it was an expression of support for free trade, but you might see it differently.

[CountDeMoney]

I could take a shit on your grandmother's grave and claim it was an expression of support for free trade, but you might see it differently.

That generation was very pro-union, though.

[PDH]

By "demand" I assume you mean "state a position I disagree with."

The meaning of symbolic acts is not determined unilaterally.  The viewers of that symbolic act will interpret it based on their set of values and beliefs.  I could take a shit on your grandmother's grave and claim it was an expression of support for free trade, but you might see it differently.

Doesn't quite work that way.  Since they are operating withing the symbolic narrative of the US ideals, they obviously are accepting the basic principles here.  The protests are that the narrative and the reality have become dis-joined and they are trying to point this out.  Thus, they are acting within the symbolic framework that makes sense only within that culturally accepted set of definitions.

You COULD shit on a grave and claim that, but unless that is within a larger set of symbols that are generally agreed upon by a society, you are actually just shitting on a grave and claiming a bullshit reason.

[Admiral Yi]

Doesn't quite work that way.  Since they are operating withing the symbolic narrative of the US ideals, they obviously are accepting the basic principles here.  The protests are that the narrative and the reality have become dis-joined and they are trying to point this out.  Thus, they are acting within the symbolic framework that makes sense only within that culturally accepted set of definitions.

You COULD shit on a grave and claim that, but unless that is within a larger set of symbols that are generally agreed upon by a society, you are actually just shitting on a grave and claiming a bullshit reason.

I don't really know what any of this means.

[Jacob]

Doesn't quite work that way.  Since they are operating withing the symbolic narrative of the US ideals, they obviously are accepting the basic principles here.  The protests are that the narrative and the reality have become dis-joined and they are trying to point this out.  Thus, they are acting within the symbolic framework that makes sense only within that culturally accepted set of definitions.

You COULD shit on a grave and claim that, but unless that is within a larger set of symbols that are generally agreed upon by a society, you are actually just shitting on a grave and claiming a bullshit reason.

I don't really know what any of this means.

I'd recommend working through it before you go shit on Berkut's grandma's grave.

[Tamas]

Berk, they are uppity. What, calling for real equality and shit.

Some conservative American dude on the morning telly explained: they are free to protest, but not there and then. They should know their place and work when on the clock!

[Razgovory]

Ben Roethlisberger sexually assaults women, but that's okay.  Michael Vick fights dogs, but he gets to play again.  Ray Lewis is an accessory to murder, but taking part in a silent protest?  Well, that crosses the line.

[Eddie Teach]

Well, I think part of the justification is how much those countries cooperate with the U.S. as far as vetting the entries. Saudi Arabia may produce lots of terrorists but their government shares intel with us. Venezuela probably doesn't tell us shit.