What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[FunkMonk]

I kind of hope Hillary runs again in 2020. Just to see what happens

[crazy canuck]

Basically what is it exactly are you trying to accomplish in this discussion? What are you hoping I take away here? Because you seem very passionately determined that I be convinced of something and I cannot figure it out.

That Clinton was in fact a terrible candidate, and that the election of Trump reflects poorly on the choices the DNC has made over the last four years when they allowed the Clintons to stifle any possible candidacy other than her own.

That Clinton was a poor candidate with a lot of baggage, and in a political environment where people demand change, putting up the poster child for the "machine" was a huge mistake, and recognizing that letting one clique dominate a national party in the manner that the Clintons dominated the Democrats is bad for the Party, and needs to be avoided if they don't want to let another astoundingly terrible candidate (Trump again) win a second term.

What bothers me is that it seems to me like the narrative is just the opposite - that Clinton was a great candidate, and it is just that America is too stupid to not elect Trump, so the Dems should probably just keep doing the same thing, and maybe they can even run Clinton again, or find someone just like her.

The Dems need to figure out how they lost middle America. Calling them all deplorable and demanding that they vote for you candidate on the basis of being less horrific than the other guy is a way to see more fringe candidates. The Dems need to find mainstream Democrats who can appeal to mainstream Americans, and start winning grassroots political contests again, in addition to finding some young(er) leadership to be the face of the party.

And no, I don't mean Chelsea.

I have been watching "The Circus" on Showtime.  In the last episode they were pretty much making your point by highlighting the "resistance" movement in the US and how difficult it has been for mainstream democrats to appeal to that movement.

[Valmy]

I kind of hope Hillary runs again in 2020. Just to see what happens

Damn it how consecutive years of LOLZ do you people need?

[FunkMonk]

I kind of hope Hillary runs again in 2020. Just to see what happens

Damn it how consecutive years of LOLZ do you people need?

Meh. Like Seedy says we'll all be ash in a couple years anyway.

[Jacob]

I have been watching "The Circus" on Showtime.  In the last episode they were pretty much making your point by highlighting the "resistance" movement in the US and how difficult it has been for mainstream democrats to appeal to that movement.

I don't know... maybe if they run a white guy?

[HVC]

I have been watching "The Circus" on Showtime.  In the last episode they were pretty much making your point by highlighting the "resistance" movement in the US and how difficult it has been for mainstream democrats to appeal to that movement.

I don't know... maybe if they run a white guy?

The Hilary lost because white guys didn't vote for her seems hollow when matched against the fact that 53% of women voted trump and minority turn out for Hilary slumped from barrack. But sure it was white dudes that cost her the win.

That's not to say racist and bigots didn't vote for trump, but the they would have voted for trump regardless of the democratic candidate.

[Valmy]

I have been watching "The Circus" on Showtime.  In the last episode they were pretty much making your point by highlighting the "resistance" movement in the US and how difficult it has been for mainstream democrats to appeal to that movement.

I don't know... maybe if they run a white guy?

The Hilary lost because white guys didn't vote for her seems hollow when matched against the fact that 53% of women voted trump and minority turn out for Hilary slumped from barrack. But sure it was white dudes that cost her the win.

That's not to say racist and bigots didn't vote for trump, but the hey would have voted for trump regardless of the democratic candidate.

53% of white women voted for Trump. If 53% of women had voted for Trump he would have won by a gigantic landslide.

[HVC]

Yes, sorry, 53% of white women, and 43% of women overall. 

[HVC]

Mainly the argument that people wouldn't elect a rich white women after having a two term black president because of bigotry seems odd to me. But then again I don't live there, maybe mysogeny is a greater problem then racism which is why the minority vote declined. Or maybe she was a bad candidate, or got he message out badly. 

[Valmy]

Mainly the argument that people wouldn't elect a rich white women after having a two term black president because of bigotry seems odd to me. But then again I don't live there, maybe mysogeny is a greater problem then radish which is why the minority vote declined. Or maybe she was a bad candidate, or got he message out badly. 

I don't know man. That was one viciously misogynistic campaign. I was even surprised and I did not think there was much the American public could still do to disappoint me.

Which is not to say Hillary was not a bad candidate. Since we have to keep talking about this for some reason. I mean people are already gearing up for the 2018 race and as far as I know no Clintons are involved.

[HVC]

The Clinton apparatus is still in place, something something. You guys need new blood.

[Valmy]

The Clinton apparatus is still in place, something something. You guys need new blood.

The new blood is flooding in. Tons of new Democrats are running for office in reaction to Trump. This is a well known reality and trend. Now are any of them worth a damn? Who knows? Totally inexperienced neophytes seems to be what everybody wants though.

But I only know that because I am thinking about 2018 not hand wringing about what happened six months ago.

[Monoriu]

I think the one thing that people hate is to try the same policies again, when past experience has confirmed that said policies don't benefit them personally.  Everywhere people want change.  See Brexit, Sanders, Trump, the French presidential election etc.  Hillary represents continuation of the present policies when people have reached a point where they consider anything is better than the status quo. 

[jimmy olsen]

The only candidate I saw the DNC opposing was a dangerous far left socialist demagogue. I am sure the DNC would have been overjoyed had O'Malley or Biden or whomever had won the nomination. But it is not like the Dems have a deep bench right now. Pelosi is still Speaker for godsake.

Sanders is not any further left economically than LBJ, Truman or FDR and they were some of the greatest Presidents in history.  Jeremy Corbyn he's not.

[Eddie Teach]

Valmy is a closet libertarian.