What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 01, 2017, 02:06:08 PM
The Democrats strength politically for generations was the ~12-13% of the vote that is black and 90% Democrat and their ability to appeal to the white working class, exemplified by union households or "formerly union" households (more of those than union households after the generational gutting of labor unions.) For some reason some time around the midpoint of Bill's Presidency the Democrats started a shift to being the party of "identity politics." Democrats care more about whether a Latino woman is suffering "microaggressions" and which bathroom a tranny can use than they did whether a lower income white man can get a good paying job. They basically prioritized identity politics, which by their nature only deeply appeal to a coalition of people who have various "minority identifications" over broad based economic philosophy that likely appeal to many minorities (who are more likely to be lower class economically) and whites. Even worse, not only have Democrats not emphasized these matters, most Democrats have consistently chosen policies that are easily marketed as being more pro-corporate and pro-wealthy than pro-worker.

It worries me more than a little bit to find myself agreeing with this.  the modern democratic politician pretends to court the insecure for the votes and sincerely courts the secure for the money.
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Bayraktar!

LaCroix

 :lol: I should just PM my posts to a neutral third party for him to post

grumbler

Quote from: LaCroix on February 01, 2017, 03:24:12 PM
:lol: I should just PM my posts to a neutral third party for him to post

That's a terrific idea.  Tell him to take the time to read them for coherence, first, though.
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Valmy

QuoteDemocrats care more about whether a Latino woman is suffering "microaggressions" and which bathroom a tranny can use than they did whether a lower income white man can get a good paying job.

The people passing the tranny laws were Republicans in North Carolina. "Microaggressions" is a non-issue outside of college campuses. I see no evidence Democratic politicians are concerning themselves with these kinds of things.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

LaCroix

Quote from: grumbler on February 01, 2017, 03:26:12 PMThat's a terrific idea.  Tell him to take the time to read them for coherence, first, though.

well yeah, that'd be part of the deal. also, he'd want to throw in a few thesaurus words

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
The people passing the tranny laws were Republicans in North Carolina.

But that became a thing because of people who didn't like that law.
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garbon

Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
QuoteDemocrats care more about whether a Latino woman is suffering "microaggressions" and which bathroom a tranny can use than they did whether a lower income white man can get a good paying job.

The people passing the tranny laws were Republicans in North Carolina. "Microaggressions" is a non-issue outside of college campuses. I see no evidence Democratic politicians are concerning themselves with these kinds of things.

:yes:

Makes for a fun soundbite though.

Anyway, sounds like Dems really just need to encourage, somehow, for their bases to not stick to cities and start colonizing the lesser ahem, Republican states. They've a large base, it is just rather concentrated.
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LaCroix

QuoteStatement by the National Security Advisor

Recent Iranian actions, including a provocative ballistic missile launch and an attack against a Saudi naval vessel conducted by Iran-supported Houthi militants, underscore what should have been clear to the international community all along about Iran's destabilizing behavior across the Middle East.

The recent ballistic missile launch is also in defiance of UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which calls upon Iran "not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology.

These are just the latest of a series of incidents in the past six months in which Houthi forces that Iran has trained and armed have struck Emirati and Saudi vessels, and threatened U.S. and allied vessels transiting the Red Sea. In these and other similar activities, Iran continues to threaten U.S. friends and allies in the region.

The Obama Administration failed to respond adequately to Tehran's malign actions—including weapons transfers, support for terrorism, and other violations of international norms. The Trump Administration condemns such actions by Iran that undermine security, prosperity, and stability throughout and beyond the Middle East and place American lives at risk.

President Trump has severely criticized the various agreements reached between Iran and the Obama Administration, as well as the United Nations – as being weak and ineffective.

Instead of being thankful to the United States for these agreements, Iran is now feeling emboldened.

As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice.

:lol: cdm called it. they on notice now

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

MadImmortalMan

Quote from: LaCroix on February 01, 2017, 02:45:51 PMit kinda seems the republicans and democrats are reversing their stances on this issue


Republicans have figured out that poor white people are winning them elections and have changed their messaging accordingly.

Obama kept winning because he's Obama. Nobody was going to beat him. But during that time, the party was losing a thousand seats in all the states, even blue ones. The problem with winning on one guy's coattails is that eventually that guy is gone and there's no motor.

I think people tried to make the last election partly about gender stuff. "I'm with her" and so on. That turned out to be a bad idea, because while single and married women plus married men didn't shift their votes much, single men swung hard for Trump. Single male Obama voters voted for the cheeto in chief.
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PJL

I think the message for the Democrats to campaign on next time is pretty clear; it's the economy, stupid. Forget the issue politics.

Valmy

QuoteRepublicans have figured out that poor white people are winning them elections and have changed their messaging accordingly.

Trump is now a typical Republican who represents a brand of messaging put together by the party? Ok then.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

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Quote from: PJL on February 01, 2017, 04:26:50 PM
I think the message for the Democrats to campaign on next time is pretty clear; it's the economy, stupid. Forget the issue politics.

So full Bernie Sanders. Just like I said.

(though, I will repeat this again, the 'Economy Stupid' guy got them obliterated in 1994 and they have never recovered)

But you guys are not thinking like Democrats. They will change nothing.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

LaCroix

Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2017, 04:28:00 PMSo full Bernie Sanders. Just like I said.

you don't exactly have to go full bernie to make the election all about the economy

LaCroix

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 01, 2017, 04:22:48 PMRepublicans have figured out that poor white people are winning them elections and have changed their messaging accordingly.

Obama kept winning because he's Obama. Nobody was going to beat him. But during that time, the party was losing a thousand seats in all the states, even blue ones. The problem with winning on one guy's coattails is that eventually that guy is gone and there's no motor.

I think people tried to make the last election partly about gender stuff. "I'm with her" and so on. That turned out to be a bad idea, because while single and married women plus married men didn't shift their votes much, single men swung hard for Trump. Single male Obama voters voted for the cheeto in chief.

the full weight of the screams shouting "misogyny" did crush pollsters around the country