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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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11B4V

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 05, 2016, 11:08:41 PM
So apparently the late word is that Guiliani and Petraeus have fallen to the back of the pack for State, Huntsman was never really considered as having a real chance, and that it's now down to Romney and Tillerson.  My bet is on Tillerson.

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2016, 11:12:32 PM
Big Oil. Draining the swamp.

Fuck yeah, baby.  We're not just going back to 1950, we're going back to 1910.  :lol:

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11B4V

The conformation hearings on some of these cats will be epic.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Phillip V

Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2016, 11:21:42 PM
The conformation hearings on some of these cats will be epic.

BLOCK ALL CONFIRMATIONS UNTIL THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION

CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2016, 11:21:42 PM
The conformation hearings on some of these cats will be epic.

QuoteDemocrats to give Trump Cabinet picks the Garland treatment
Delay tactics could sap momentum from the president's first 100 days. 'What goes around comes around,' one lawmaker says.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-cabinet-democrats-senate-232136

Multiple Democratic senators told POLITICO in interviews last week that after watching Republicans sit on Merrick Garland's nomination to the Supreme Court for nearly a year, they're in no mood to fast-track Trump's selections.

But it's not just about exacting revenge.

Democrats argue that some of the president-elect's more controversial Cabinet picks — such as Jeff Sessions for attorney general and Steven Mnuchin for treasury secretary — demand a thorough public airing.

"They've been rewarded for stealing a Supreme Court justice. We're going to help them confirm their nominees, many of whom are disqualified?" fumed Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). "It's not obstruction, it's not partisan, it's just a duty to find out what they'd do in these jobs."


Unfortunately, the worst possible characters to have access to the President--Psycho Nut Job Flynn, War-Crimes-Field-Jacket Bannon and Just Hanging Around Giuliani--are already there.

11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 05, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2016, 11:21:42 PM
The conformation hearings on some of these cats will be epic.

QuoteDemocrats to give Trump Cabinet picks the Garland treatment
Delay tactics could sap momentum from the president's first 100 days. 'What goes around comes around,' one lawmaker says.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-cabinet-democrats-senate-232136

Multiple Democratic senators told POLITICO in interviews last week that after watching Republicans sit on Merrick Garland's nomination to the Supreme Court for nearly a year, they're in no mood to fast-track Trump's selections.

But it's not just about exacting revenge.

Democrats argue that some of the president-elect's more controversial Cabinet picks — such as Jeff Sessions for attorney general and Steven Mnuchin for treasury secretary — demand a thorough public airing.

"They've been rewarded for stealing a Supreme Court justice. We're going to help them confirm their nominees, many of whom are disqualified?" fumed Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). "It's not obstruction, it's not partisan, it's just a duty to find out what they'd do in these jobs."


Unfortunately, the worst possible characters to have access to the President--Psycho Nut Job Flynn, War-Crimes-Field-Jacket Bannon and Just Hanging Around Giuliani--are already there.

It's kind of ironic.

One of the reason I thought I could not support even a moderate Republican, say Kasich, was that I think it would simply be terrible for our democracy to reward political obstructionism as a tactic.

The Republicans spent eight years "governing" in bad faith, and to reward them with a victory would simply encourage the Democrats to do the same thing back - and that would be very bad.

Now...well, I think pure obstructionism might be the only responsible path forward - because we didn't get a otherwise reasonable Republican, we have a actual and objetively dangerous man in power.It may be the case that the absolutely right thing to do may be to do whatever is necessary to limit his power - not because it is poltiically expedient to do so (as the Republicans did with Obama) but rather because the alternative is power in the hands of someone history may well call a madman.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2016, 11:41:41 PM
Now...well, I think pure obstructionism might be the only responsible path forward - because we didn't get a otherwise reasonable Republican, we have a actual and objetively dangerous man in power.It may be the case that the absolutely right thing to do may be to do whatever is necessary to limit his power - not because it is poltiically expedient to do so (as the Republicans did with Obama) but rather because the alternative is power in the hands of someone history may well call a madman.

As we've seen, obstruction is a delaying tactic, not a solution.  I'm wondering if the last, best chance to get through this Administration is going to be Ivanka.

frunk

Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2016, 11:41:41 PM
It's kind of ironic.

One of the reason I thought I could not support even a moderate Republican, say Kasich, was that I think it would simply be terrible for our democracy to reward political obstructionism as a tactic.

The Republicans spent eight years "governing" in bad faith, and to reward them with a victory would simply encourage the Democrats to do the same thing back - and that would be very bad.

Now...well, I think pure obstructionism might be the only responsible path forward - because we didn't get a otherwise reasonable Republican, we have a actual and objetively dangerous man in power.It may be the case that the absolutely right thing to do may be to do whatever is necessary to limit his power - not because it is poltiically expedient to do so (as the Republicans did with Obama) but rather because the alternative is power in the hands of someone history may well call a madman.

Even then I don't want the Democrats to act like the Republicans.  If Trump actually puts forward reasonable candidates (like Obama has) I don't want them stonewalled.  So far he's clearly aiming for a combination of lunatic fringe, partisan insiders and Russian spies, but maybe he'll slip an ok one in there.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 05, 2016, 11:08:41 PM
So apparently the late word is that Guiliani and Petraeus have fallen to the back of the pack for State, Huntsman was never really considered as having a real chance, and that it's now down to Romney and Tillerson.  My bet is on Tillerson.

I had no idea who this was until you brought him up. The CEO of Exxon Mobile? Really? Even Dick Cheney thinks that's a litte gauche. 
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: frunk on December 06, 2016, 12:02:24 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2016, 11:41:41 PM
It's kind of ironic.

One of the reason I thought I could not support even a moderate Republican, say Kasich, was that I think it would simply be terrible for our democracy to reward political obstructionism as a tactic.

The Republicans spent eight years "governing" in bad faith, and to reward them with a victory would simply encourage the Democrats to do the same thing back - and that would be very bad.

Now...well, I think pure obstructionism might be the only responsible path forward - because we didn't get a otherwise reasonable Republican, we have a actual and objetively dangerous man in power.It may be the case that the absolutely right thing to do may be to do whatever is necessary to limit his power - not because it is poltiically expedient to do so (as the Republicans did with Obama) but rather because the alternative is power in the hands of someone history may well call a madman.

Even then I don't want the Democrats to act like the Republicans.  If Trump actually puts forward reasonable candidates (like Obama has) I don't want them stonewalled.  So far he's clearly aiming for a combination of lunatic fringe, partisan insiders and Russian spies, but maybe he'll slip an ok one in there.

The partisan insiders are the sane men in this crew. Give them a pass and take aim at the wingnuts.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2016, 12:28:44 AM
I had no idea who this was until you brought him up. The CEO of Exxon Mobile? Really? Even Dick Cheney thinks that's a litte gauche.

It's been the talk since Thursday.  Robber baron chic is back in style, buddy.

I do find it interesting that, at the very time of Fidel Castro's death, the US is about to embark on the very same colossally myopic course that had spawned him in the first place: deferring US foreign policy to corporate entities, and the government as their muscle.  Some things never change.       

Monoriu

He is your president.  That's a given.  I think you guys need to work with him.  It is not going to be easy but that has to happen.  Lots of people in the world have worse leaders than Trump. 

Zanza

So far the administration seems to be mostly billionaires/ultra-capitalists and generals. Not sure if especially the first set is suitable to give the blue collar workers of the rustbelt their voice in DC...

Syt

Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2016, 11:31:25 PM
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