What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[dps]

she's telling everyone not to do their job because she doesn't like the decision made by the new president

I think she's telling them not to waste their time because the courts are going to toss out the order anyway.

[LaCroix]

Can your provide more thoughtful analysis than 'OMG' 'LOLZ' and other bullshit? That would be great.

what else is there to say, really? she acknowledges it's the DOJ's job to find reasonable arguments to support the executive's actions, and then she goes down a crazy rabbit hole to justify why she's using her position as attorney general of the united states to stick it to trump.

[Valmy]

she's telling everyone not to do their job because she doesn't like the decision made by the new president

Ok. There you go.

Well she is not Trump's creature so logically if he does something really out there he may have problems. Probably more prudent to wait until you have your people in place.

[Valmy]

Can your provide more thoughtful analysis than 'OMG' 'LOLZ' and other bullshit? That would be great.

what else is there to say, really? she acknowledges it's the DOJ's job to find reasonable arguments to support the executive's actions, and then she goes down a crazy rabbit hole to justify why she's using her position as attorney general of the united states to stick it to trump.

Well that is on Trump. Poor attention to detail and poor leadership. Did he even consult with this woman if she was essential to his plans? Did he wait until she was gone? Nope. Just full steam ahead.

[LaCroix]

I think she's telling them not to waste their time because the courts are going to toss out the order anyway.

that is absolutely not what she's saying

[LaCroix]

Well that is on Trump. Poor attention to detail and poor leadership. Did he even consult with this woman if she was essential to his plans? Did he wait until she was gone? Nope. Just full steam ahead.

it's on the attorney general to not order the department of justice to refuse to make legal arguments defending trump's executive order

[Valmy]

I think she's telling them not to waste their time because the courts are going to toss out the order anyway.

that is absolutely not what she's saying

Nah she thinks the order is evil and unjust and maybe even illegal and therefore she is not going to help. Not really in the spirit of the office but the office is supposed to have people loyal to the President filling it.

[LaCroix]

Nah she thinks the order is evil and unjust and maybe even illegal and therefore she is not going to help. Not really in the spirit of the office but the office is supposed to have people loyal to the President filling it.

"not really in the spirit of the office" ..or the spirit of how transitions between presidents work. I'd be saying the same thing if this was a republican appointee flatly ordering the DOJ to not carry out some obama executive order establishing a day for hugs, and languish would react similarly. instead, it's "not really in the spirit" and "but ya know" 

[Valmy]

Well that is on Trump. Poor attention to detail and poor leadership. Did he even consult with this woman if she was essential to his plans? Did he wait until she was gone? Nope. Just full steam ahead.

it's on the attorney general to not order the department of justice to refuse to make legal arguments defending trump's executive order

Well I disagree. We are not an authoritarian government. If a department head really feels like an EO is unjust and illegal I would hope they would refuse to comply. Particularly if they have the guts to do it publicly and not all passive-aggressively bureaucratic like.

Trump's Executive Branch is still a mess, with hundreds of unfilled appointments, but he pushed ahead anyway.

[Valmy]

Nah she thinks the order is evil and unjust and maybe even illegal and therefore she is not going to help. Not really in the spirit of the office but the office is supposed to have people loyal to the President filling it.

"not really in the spirit of the office" ..or the spirit of how transitions between presidents work. I'd be saying the same thing if this was a republican appointee flatly ordering the DOJ to not carry out some obama executive order establishing a day for hugs, and languish would react similarly. instead, it's "not really in the spirit" and "but ya know" 

And you bring up some strawman bullshit to deflect. How typically fucking dishonest and manipulative. God I hate debating with you. And you just had to add the at the end just to be a super asshole.

[LaCroix]

And you bring up some strawman bullshit to deflect. How typically fucking dishonest and manipulative. God I hate debating with you. And you just had to add the at the end just to be a super asshole.

dude, you started off bitching me out, and you're doing it again right here

I think I'm absolutely right that if the situation was changed that it was a department head refusing to do its job and actually ordering its department to obstruct the executive ... but maybe the subject matter was something like an EO establishing gay marriage before obergefell ... then you'd be saying something different

[dps]

I think she's telling them not to waste their time because the courts are going to toss out the order anyway.

that is absolutely not what she's saying

Nah she thinks the order is evil and unjust and maybe even illegal and therefore she is not going to help. Not really in the spirit of the office but the office is supposed to have people loyal to the President filling it.

Well, I'm not saying that she doesn't feel that way, too, but until I read what Syt posted in the other thread, I figured (and I think almost all of the rest of us agreed) that Trump's order was clearly illegal.  I had posted the bit about the order going to be tossed by the courts before I had read that.

[LaCroix]

if public perception re immigration ban doesn't change much, stuff like this just makes the democratic party look more ridiculous

[Oexmelin]

Given that wording, it's no surprise that a majority answered "yes".  Saying "no" would amount to saying, "I don't thing the government need to improve its ability to screen out potential terrorists from entering the country" to a lot of people.  It's a leading question, and the pollsters should be ashamed for wording it that way.

Precisely. To that, add the fact that opinion polls are just such a shitty way to understand what "a majority of the people think".

[LaCroix]

oex, you know you've gone from "it's the size!" -> "it's the composition!" -> "it's the wording!" to now "'it's the type of poll!" in like eight hours, right?