What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

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Sophie Scholl

Quote from: Jacob on March 20, 2026, 09:06:10 PMIt's more important to proscribe his family and confiscate their wealth, IMO.
Both sound good to me. As to forgetting, we still know of Caligula, Nero, Domitian, and Commodus. With someone as obsessed with their name and image being everywhere, I can think of no more fitting punishment for him than removing his impact via those methods and, as Jake says, removing his and his cohorts' wealth.
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Quote from: Sophie Scholl on March 20, 2026, 07:26:56 PMIf we survive Trump, we so, so need to bring back damnatio memoriae.
We still remember the Emperors who had damnatio memoria, they have lengthy pages on Wikipedia  :lol:

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Everyone knows the first two and people with a passing interest in Rome know the second two. No one knows  other shitty emperors like Caracalla or Honorius. Striking them from history makes historians curious about why :lol: Egyptian history has a similar phenomenon.

So wealth confiscation is best. Although I still think tiny penis statues would annoy him more :P
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garbon

Caracalla still has his baths (and just looking apparently the modern buildings it inspired) and Honorius gets to feature in British History with that supposed break up letter to the Romans in Briatin.
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Well yeah, people know of them. I mean I do and I'm not a great historian :D thinking more so on the grand scale of popular knowledge. You don't think 100 years from now people won't be interested in the only president who people tried to erase from history?

Assuming that the trend of terrifyingly crappy presidents doesn't continue,  which isn't exactly guaranteed
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Jacob on March 20, 2026, 09:06:10 PMIt's more important to proscribe his family and confiscate their wealth, IMO.

yep, and tackle the oligarchs that supported him too while you're at it.

viper37

Quote from: HVC on March 20, 2026, 11:28:19 PM:yes:

Everyone knows the first two and people with a passing interest in Rome know the second two. No one knows  other shitty emperors like Caracalla or Honorius. Striking them from history makes historians curious about why :lol: Egyptian history has a similar phenomenon.

So wealth confiscation is best. Although I still think tiny penis statues would annoy him more :P
I do wonder if people (well, Kings and their retinue), knew that much about Roman Emperors in the middle ages, about Caligula, Caracalla, Honorius?  Did the Eastern Roman Emperors kept careful track of all of them?
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Valmy

Quote from: garbon on March 21, 2026, 01:46:55 AMHonorius gets to feature in British History with that supposed break up letter to the Romans in Briatin.

That isn't real right? I forget the details.
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garbon

Quote from: Valmy on March 21, 2026, 07:11:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 21, 2026, 01:46:55 AMHonorius gets to feature in British History with that supposed break up letter to the Romans in Briatin.

That isn't real right? I forget the details.

My understanding is that no that didn't happen as opposed to the Synod of Whitby or the deposition of Romulus Augustulus that happened but we have attributed more significance than contemporaries did.
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Tonitrus

Trump's "we'll put ICE in the airports!" threat is yet another boneheaded move/empty threat.

Best(worst?) case: they'll actually help in some minor roles that don't involve actual screening for weapons/threats.  Or if they do go that far, they'll fail at it spectacularly, further downgrading their/Trumps image.

Worst(best?) case: they'll do the shenanigans we've already seen, and drive their/Trump's approval down even further with over-the-top harassment of stressed airplane travelers.

Seems like a win-win for the Democrats.

grumbler

I think that they could just lay off/suspend pay for 5,000 ICE agents and pay the TSA agents. But that would not inflict much pain on the American people, so the Republicans won't do that, transportation safety and passenger inconvenience be damned.
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Jacob

ICE is basically Trump's Revolutionary Guard at this point, isn't it?

grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on March 22, 2026, 09:42:01 PMICE is basically Trump's Revolutionary Guard at this point, isn't it?

Not really. ICE agents are simple thugs. They are only brave when they vastly outnumber their opponents.
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Quote from: Jacob on March 22, 2026, 09:42:01 PMICE is basically Trump's Revolutionary Guard at this point, isn't it?

The Revolutionary guard has proven itself to be very effective.  Not sure why you would elevate ICE to that level.
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Quote from: Syt on March 05, 2026, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 05, 2026, 01:51:30 PMNoem's out, to be replaced by Markwayne (lol) Mullin.  :lol:

Even better, they seem to have sent her to the Provinces. "Special Envoy for the Shield of the Americas"  :lol:

Markwayne sounds like he'll fit right in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markwayne_Mullin#Political_positions

Quote2020 presidential election results
When campaigning for the 2022 United States Senate special election in Oklahoma, Mullin supported the false claim that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump.[84]

Abortion
Mullin supports making abortion illegal in all circumstances, including cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life is at risk. During the 2022 Republican runoff debate, he stated that if his wife's life was at risk during a pregnancy, neither he nor his wife would want to get an abortion.[85]

Regulation of mixed martial arts
Mullin wants to extend federal boxing regulations to the practices of mixed martial arts businesses such as the Ultimate Fighting Championship.[86] His 2016 proposed legislation would have forced the UFC to share financial information with fighters and create an independent ranking system.[87] Mullin reportedly planned to reintroduce the Ali Expansion Act as a senator in 2023.[88][needs update]

Transgender rights
On December 10, 2020, Mullin and U.S. Representative Tulsi Gabbard introduced the Protect Women's Sports Act, a bill to define Title IX protections on the basis of an individual's biological sex, making it a violation for institutions that receive federal funding to "permit a person whose biological sex at birth is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls". This bill would effectively ban many transgender athletes from participating in programs corresponding with their gender identity.[89][90][91]

Violence Against Women Act (VAWA)
Mullin voted against reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act in 2013.[92][93] His vote drew criticism from other Cherokee citizens in Indian Country Today.[93]


And:

QuoteOn March 8, 2023, Mullin accused Teamsters president Sean O'Brien of "intimidation" during a Senate HELP Committee hearing on the PRO Act, claiming that O'Brien was forcing union members to pay dues and alleging that union leaders had attempted to unionize his plumbing business. When Mullin asked about O'Brien's salary and compared it to what he claimed UPS drivers made, on average, in 2019, O'Brien responded, "that's inaccurate", and told Mullin he simply "negotiates the contract". O'Brien then said that Mullin's questioning was "out of line", to which Mullin responded, "shut your mouth". O'Brien went on to mock Mullin, calling him a "tough guy" and "greedy CEO" before committee chair Bernie Sanders ended the spat by banging the gavel and instructing Mullin to "stay on the issue."[71][72]

On June 26, Mullin challenged O'Brien to a fight for charity via Twitter in response to an earlier tweet by O'Brien.[73] On November 14, when O'Brien again appeared before the committee, Mullin challenged him to fight, saying, "you want to run your mouth? We can be two consenting adults, we can finish it here" and demanding that O'Brien "stand [his] butt up". This came after Mullin read aloud a tweet of O'Brien's, posted in June, in which he called Mullin a "cowboy," told him to "quit the tough guy act," and invited Mullin to find him "anyplace, anytime;" after Mullin stood up from his seat and began moving toward O'Brien, Sanders broke up the argument, saying: "No, no, sit down! Sit down! You're a United States senator!"[74]

On November 15, Mullin justified his actions in an interview, saying: "It's silly. It's stupid. But every now and then, you need to get punched in the face."[75][76] When asked whether any Senate rules allow for "two consenting adults" to "duke it out," Mullin claimed that lawmakers used to be able to "cane," referring to Representative Preston Brooks's 1856 beating of Senator Charles Sumner.[75][76] Since this intense interaction, the two have reconciled with encouragement from Donald Trump, become friends, and now speak on the phone every few weeks.[77] This renewed relationship reportedly influenced O'Brien's decision not to endorse the Democratic ticket in 2024.[78]


Mullins' nomination has been advanced:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/markwayne-mullin-homeland-security-secretary-nomination-senate/

QuoteIn a 54 to 37 vote, two Democrats voted with all Republicans in attendance to advance Mullin's nomination. A final confirmation vote is expected in the coming days.
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