What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[dps]

Interesting that Kellyanne isn't hiding from it being about race:

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/Defending-Trump-White-House-Adviser-Kellyanne-Conway-Asks-a-Reporter-Whats-Your-Ethnicity-512794821.html

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Tuesday responded to questions about President Donald Trump's attacks on four congresswomen of color by asking a reporter about his heritage, NBC News reported.

Andrew Feinberg, a White House reporter for Breakfast Media, a website about politics and technology, asked Conway, "If the president was not telling these four congresswomen to return to their supposed countries of origin, to which countries was he referring?"

Conway paused and then asked him, "What's your ethnicity?"

"Why is that relevant?" Feinberg replied.

"Because I'm asking a question. My ancestors are from Ireland and Italy," Conway shot back.

So he should go back to Ireland and/or Italy? 

If I had to go back to where my ancestors came from to get here, it would be Ireland.  Which is OK, 'cause that would also be one of my top choices anyway if I had to leave the US for some reason.

[Malthus]

When everybody gets moved to the Kenya/Tanzania area real-estate will be at a premium.

I'm putting my hotel in Olduvai Gorge! /Monopoly

[chipwich]

Trump did not do a hostile takeover of the GOP.  In 2009, after a dream war hero candidate respected by all sides lost to a neophyte Senator with a funny muslimmy sounding name, the GOP establishment in its desperation hitched its wagon to the Tea Party movement, a toxic mixture of opportunistic would-be populists, straight-up racists, and large base of extreme "low information" voters.  The Tea Party, despite being anti-conservative (in the Burkean sense) at its core, was permitted to take over the GOP brand consensually. In parallel, the GOP media arm descended further into "fake news" - outright nutters like Alex Jones were given a patina of respectability; political shock jocks like Coulter or Ingraham were treated as serious purveyors of information; and once sorta/almost respectful news people like Dobbs or Carlson went full idiot.

The Tea Party's raw, racist id manifested itself in the ridiculous Birther movement. Most respectable Republicans with national ambitions stayed away.  Trump embraced it with fervor.  Whether he did so strategically can be questioned.  But it rebounded to his advantage in a mass, free-for-primary where volume counted more than substance. Trump was THE tea party candidate par excellence.  He encapsulated all the forces that the GOP elders willfully let loose in the foolish hope they could control it.  They couldn't.  Trump won because he is the Hegelian spirit of this iron age of American politics.

I mostly agree but I would emphasize that the degree to which it was "consensual" is hard to say. Ordinary traditional conservative voters like myself had little say in it, I continued to vote the way I always have. When the Tea Party came for Eric Cantor in my home district I put money and effort into supporting him--and he lost. That was sort of a watershed moment for me personally that the party elders who have been dancing this dance with the low information evangelicals and petty bigots for 40 years had lost control of the ship's rudder. A lot of traditional mainline so to speak Republicans were forced out of office and a lot of the party power brokers and money bundlers were faced with either embracing the new paradigm or making even harder choices. Personally I think we should have looked toward making harder choices, but it likely would have meant a lot more short term electoral losses. I do think the GOP is going to pay a far heavier "long term" price; but I'm also not sure by 2010 if there was any way to change direction at all. Whipping up the mob for a few generations isn't easily undone.

Have you considered that has something to do with moral failings in "traditional" conservatism?

[Habbaku]

What would you say the moral failings are in traditional conservatism?

[alfred russel]

What would you say the moral failings are in traditional conservatism?

Insisting on the divine right of kings and hereditary privileges will leave the most vulnerable in society without an effective voice and little incentive to better themselves.

[chipwich]

What would you say the moral failings are in traditional conservatism?

Hatred of Children; thereby rebelling against God.

Hatred of the poor; thereby rebelling against God.

Starving those who sought refuge and were made prisoners; thereby rebelling against God.

Hated of The Natural Environment; thereby rebelling against God.

[Eddie Teach]

The Tea Partiers are in lockstep with the traditional conservatives on those issues.

[chipwich]

Exactly.

[Sophie Scholl]

...In 2009, after a dream war hero candidate respected by all sides lost to a neophyte Senator with a funny muslimmy sounding name, the GOP establishment in its desperation hitched its wagon to the Tea Party movement, a toxic mixture of opportunistic would-be populists, straight-up racists, and large base of extreme "low information" voters.

While a nice narrative, the fact that Sarah Palin was said "dream war hero candidate"'s Vice President speaks volumes to me about how far the GOP had already sunk into its gambled upon hell even by that date.  The walls had been breached by the invited to camp outside deplorables and they were besieging the tower.  Now they've taken the whole tower except the top floor and even that is showing signs of surrendering.

[Razgovory]

To some extant they've always been there.  Republicans made overtures to them back in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  They've somehow managed to rise to the top in the GOP because the Conservative movement collapsed during the Bush years.

[crazy canuck]

To some extant they've always been there.  Republicans made overtures to them back in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  They've somehow managed to rise to the top in the GOP because the Conservative movement collapsed during the Bush years.

The Economist article on the end of Conservatism is to the same effect - Conservatives courted the loons thinking they could be controlled.  Didn't quite work out that way. 

[Berkut]

Trump did not do a hostile takeover of the GOP.  In 2009, after a dream war hero candidate respected by all sides lost to a neophyte Senator with a funny muslimmy sounding name, the GOP establishment in its desperation hitched its wagon to the Tea Party movement, a toxic mixture of opportunistic would-be populists, straight-up racists, and large base of extreme "low information" voters.  The Tea Party, despite being anti-conservative (in the Burkean sense) at its core, was permitted to take over the GOP brand consensually. In parallel, the GOP media arm descended further into "fake news" - outright nutters like Alex Jones were given a patina of respectability; political shock jocks like Coulter or Ingraham were treated as serious purveyors of information; and once sorta/almost respectful news people like Dobbs or Carlson went full idiot.

The Tea Party's raw, racist id manifested itself in the ridiculous Birther movement. Most respectable Republicans with national ambitions stayed away.  Trump embraced it with fervor.  Whether he did so strategically can be questioned.  But it rebounded to his advantage in a mass, free-for-primary where volume counted more than substance. Trump was THE tea party candidate par excellence.  He encapsulated all the forces that the GOP elders willfully let loose in the foolish hope they could control it.  They couldn't.  Trump won because he is the Hegelian spirit of this iron age of American politics.

THis is a point I've been trying to beat into people for some time.

Trump did not pervert the Republican Party, Trump is exactly the candidate the Republican Party perverted itself into - he is the manifestation of a couple decades of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

[jimmy olsen]

What a childish little bitch. The least he could do is commit to it. That "I know nothing about it" he tacked onto the end is some weak ass shit.

Trump on Rep. Omar before leaving White House: "There's a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it."

[PRC]

What a childish little bitch. The least he could do is commit to it. That "I know nothing about it" he tacked onto the end is some weak ass shit.

Trump on Rep. Omar before leaving White House: "There's a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it."

"On both sides"... lots of talk of how Trump wants to bang his own daughter.

How is America going to get back to relative normalcy?

[Monoriu]

How is America going to get back to relative normalcy?

By electing Joe Biden as the next president.