What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[grumbler]

Yay for harsh justice?

  You trumpeters are so funny with your sense of "justice."

[Eddie Teach]

You're an idiot.

[Tonitrus]

As fun as it would be to get around Trump's pardons and charge people at the state level vs. federal level...I don't think I care for the constitutional implications (or even just the impact on the raw sense of justice) that this has the potential for.

Either way, I can easily see it going on a fast-track to the SC.

[dps]

As fun as it would be to get around Trump's pardons and charge people at the state level vs. federal level...I don't think I care for the constitutional implications (or even just the impact on the raw sense of justice) that this has the potential for.

Either way, I can easily see it going on a fast-track to the SC.

Well, we already have established precedent that charging someone for the same act under federal law and separately under state law without violating double jeopardy.  I don't agree with or like that, but that's how it is.  All this proposed law does is remove a statutory restriction in NY law against NY prosecutors doing it.

[mongers]

There's a certain hypocrisy amongst the majority of 'us' consumers, the more so from Trump supporters. Or are only the liberals buying foreign goods and refusing to buy American:

Mr Trump also said that the US was taking in "billions and billions" from tariffs.

However, the most recent deficit figures showed that the US's trade gap with the rest of the world jumped to a 10-year high of $621bn (£471.2m) in 2018.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47644268

[Razgovory]

There's a certain hypocrisy amongst the majority of 'us' consumers, the more so from Trump supporters. Or are only the liberals buying foreign goods and refusing to buy American:

Mr Trump also said that the US was taking in "billions and billions" from tariffs.

However, the most recent deficit figures showed that the US's trade gap with the rest of the world jumped to a 10-year high of $621bn (£471.2m) in 2018.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47644268

Uh Mongers, if the trade gap is larger then you naturally expect an increase in money brought in by tariffs.

[viper37]

There's a certain hypocrisy amongst the majority of 'us' consumers, the more so from Trump supporters. Or are only the liberals buying foreign goods and refusing to buy American:

Mr Trump also said that the US was taking in "billions and billions" from tariffs.

However, the most recent deficit figures showed that the US's trade gap with the rest of the world jumped to a 10-year high of $621bn (£471.2m) in 2018.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47644268

Uh Mongers, if the trade gap is larger then you naturally expect an increase in money brought in by tariffs.

depends on where the goods come from.  If importers shift from China to Vietnam or Cambodge for 10% more instead of +25% from China, you still pay more than you used to, but the US government does not get any more money.

[Razgovory]

What I never thought I'd see is for a Republican president crow about how much money is coming through from the taxes he raised US citizens and the Republican crowds cheering it.

[Valmy]

What I never thought I'd see is for a Republican president crow about how much money is coming through from the taxes he raised US citizens and the Republican crowds cheering it.

If Texas is anything to go by, Republicans like taxes that burden the poor so things like tolls and usage taxes and sales taxes appeal to them a lot.

[The Minsky Moment]

Well, we already have established precedent that charging someone for the same act under federal law and separately under state law without violating double jeopardy.  I don't agree with or like that, but that's how it is.  All this proposed law does is remove a statutory restriction in NY law against NY prosecutors doing it.

The proposed amendment is much narrower than that.  The law would still forbid generally forbid charging someone under New York state law for the same act that person was charged for under federal law (or the law of another state).

Under the existing law, there is an exception - if a person is tried and convicted under federal law, but then a subsequent court decision nullifies or vacates that decision, then New York state is free to try that person despite the earlier federal proceeding. 

What the proposed amendment does is treat a Presidential pardon as if it were equivalent to a court decision vacating a conviction.  it expands the existing exception to cover that particular situation.

The argument against the amendment is that if a court vacates a conviction, the Feds usually have the option to rety or re-indict, i.e. it is deemed as though jeopardy never attached.  A Presidential pardon, however, does not permit such a "do-over."  The two situations are thus substantively different and shouldn't be treated the same way.

The argument for the amendment is that although a pardon blocks a federal-level "do over" that is not really because of double jeopardy concerns; it is because subordinate officers in the executive branch can't override a presidential pardon and because separation of powers prohibits the judiciary from effectively nullifying the presidential pardon power.  None of these considerations apply to the states.

The other argument for the amendment is that without it, a President could potentially mis-use the federal pardon power to grant effective blanket immunity from state crimes and state prosecutions, and it is a valid exercise of state law enforcement authority to counteract such an abuse.

[The Minsky Moment]

There's a certain hypocrisy amongst the majority of 'us' consumers, the more so from Trump supporters. Or are only the liberals buying foreign goods and refusing to buy American:

Mr Trump also said that the US was taking in "billions and billions" from tariffs.

However, the most recent deficit figures showed that the US's trade gap with the rest of the world jumped to a 10-year high of $621bn (£471.2m) in 2018.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47644268

The trade deficit is the entirely predictable consequence of a loose fiscal policy, strong overall consumer demand and loose-to-neutral monetary policy.  Trump's advisors explained all this to him - they told them that these deficits are driven by macro policy and aggregates and his response was to fire them or drive them out, and replace them with nincompoops. Of course, the actual numbers don't really matter because they are just facts and data about the world and thus are inconsequential and meaningless to Trump.

[Syt]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel's Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability!

[Barrister]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel's Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability!

As far as I know Israel has never claimed sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and has made offers to return it to Syria in the past.

[Malthus]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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2h
After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel's Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability!

As far as I know Israel has never claimed sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and has made offers to return it to Syria in the past.

I think the near complete disintegration of Syria as a nation has made previous negotiations moot. Even if Israel wanted to return the territory, there is now no nation capable of receiving and administering it.

[Barrister]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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2h
After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel's Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability!

As far as I know Israel has never claimed sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and has made offers to return it to Syria in the past.

I think the near complete disintegration of Syria as a nation has made previous negotiations moot. Even if Israel wanted to return the territory, there is now no nation capable of receiving and administering it.

Very true.

But the US can't recognize something that Israel itself doesn't claim.