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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Kleves

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Poor Latin America! So far from God, so close to the United States.
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

Valmy

Quote from: Kleves on January 10, 2018, 04:09:28 PM
Poor Latin America! So far from God, so close to the United States.

Hey! Things were getting good for the most part.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi

QuoteU.S. stocks, struggling to maintain record-setting altitude in 2018, took a firmer slide Wednesday afternoon amid a report that Canadian officials expect that President Donald Trump will announce an end to the North American Free Trade Agreement, according to a Reuters (https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/951169877309558784). The Dow Jones Industrial Average was off about 35 points, or 0.1%, at 25,348, the S&P 500 index was off 0.2% at 2,745, while the Nasdaq Composite Index retreated 0.3% at 7,143. The main benchmarks had been treading water, trying to recover from an earlier, steeper, slide, before reports about Nafta surfaced. According to Reuters, which cited two Canadian government officials, Canada is increasingly convinced that President Donald Trump will announce that the U.S. will exit Nafta. The U.S. dollar also strengthened against Canada's loonie and the Mexico's peso , while country-specific exchange-traded funds, the iShares MSCI Mexico ETF (EWW) and the MSCI Canada ETF (EWC) were lower after the report. Discussions to redraft the 23-year old trade pact between Mexico, Canada and the U.S. have been thorny.

Dow Jones Newswire

mongers

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
QuoteU.S. stocks, struggling to maintain record-setting altitude in 2018, took a firmer slide Wednesday afternoon amid a report that Canadian officials expect that President Donald Trump will announce an end to the North American Free Trade Agreement, according to a Reuters (https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/951169877309558784). The Dow Jones Industrial Average was off about 35 points, or 0.1%, at 25,348, the S&P 500 index was off 0.2% at 2,745, while the Nasdaq Composite Index retreated 0.3% at 7,143. The main benchmarks had been treading water, trying to recover from an earlier, steeper, slide, before reports about Nafta surfaced. According to Reuters, which cited two Canadian government officials, Canada is increasingly convinced that President Donald Trump will announce that the U.S. will exit Nafta. The U.S. dollar also strengthened against Canada's loonie and the Mexico's peso , while country-specific exchange-traded funds, the iShares MSCI Mexico ETF (EWW) and the MSCI Canada ETF (EWC) were lower after the report. Discussions to redraft the 23-year old trade pact between Mexico, Canada and the U.S. have been thorny.

Dow Jones Newswire

MAKE AMERICA GRATE AGAIN !!
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Habbaku

Grating is just a waste of time between me opening the cheese and eating it.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

crazy canuck

Quote from: Habbaku on January 10, 2018, 06:07:59 PM
Grating is just a waste of time between me opening the cheese and eating it.

But necessary for more even distribution for mixing into omelettes, scrambled eggs or as toppings.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
QuoteU.S. stocks, struggling to maintain record-setting altitude in 2018, took a firmer slide Wednesday afternoon amid a report that Canadian officials expect that President Donald Trump will announce an end to the North American Free Trade Agreement, according to a Reuters (https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/951169877309558784). The Dow Jones Industrial Average was off about 35 points, or 0.1%, at 25,348, the S&P 500 index was off 0.2% at 2,745, while the Nasdaq Composite Index retreated 0.3% at 7,143. The main benchmarks had been treading water, trying to recover from an earlier, steeper, slide, before reports about Nafta surfaced. According to Reuters, which cited two Canadian government officials, Canada is increasingly convinced that President Donald Trump will announce that the U.S. will exit Nafta. The U.S. dollar also strengthened against Canada's loonie and the Mexico's peso , while country-specific exchange-traded funds, the iShares MSCI Mexico ETF (EWW) and the MSCI Canada ETF (EWC) were lower after the report. Discussions to redraft the 23-year old trade pact between Mexico, Canada and the U.S. have been thorny.
Dow Jones Newswire

Was just reading that on Bloomberg. <_<

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-10/canada-officials-said-to-see-odds-rising-of-trump-leaving-nafta-jc9gua48
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

mongers

Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 10, 2018, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
QuoteU.S. stocks, struggling to maintain record-setting altitude in 2018, took a firmer slide Wednesday afternoon amid a report that Canadian officials expect that President Donald Trump will announce an end to the North American Free Trade Agreement, according to a Reuters (https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/951169877309558784). The Dow Jones Industrial Average was off about 35 points, or 0.1%, at 25,348, the S&P 500 index was off 0.2% at 2,745, while the Nasdaq Composite Index retreated 0.3% at 7,143. The main benchmarks had been treading water, trying to recover from an earlier, steeper, slide, before reports about Nafta surfaced. According to Reuters, which cited two Canadian government officials, Canada is increasingly convinced that President Donald Trump will announce that the U.S. will exit Nafta. The U.S. dollar also strengthened against Canada's loonie and the Mexico's peso , while country-specific exchange-traded funds, the iShares MSCI Mexico ETF (EWW) and the MSCI Canada ETF (EWC) were lower after the report. Discussions to redraft the 23-year old trade pact between Mexico, Canada and the U.S. have been thorny.
Dow Jones Newswire

Was just reading that on Bloomberg. <_<

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-10/canada-officials-said-to-see-odds-rising-of-trump-leaving-nafta-jc9gua48

In a couple of years time, Trump will try and get America to withdraw from the US constitution.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

PDH

Quote from: mongers on January 10, 2018, 06:42:30 PM
In a couple of years time, Trump will try and get America to withdraw from the US constitution.

No way, he doesn't even know what the Constitution is.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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"I'm pretty sure my level of depression has nothing to do with how much of a fucking asshole you are."

-CdM

mongers

Quote from: PDH on January 10, 2018, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 10, 2018, 06:42:30 PM
In a couple of years time, Trump will try and get America to withdraw from the US constitution.

No way, he doesn't even know what the Constitution is.

He knows it gets in his way, therefore it must be bad.   :P
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

jimmy olsen

Lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/01/10/trump-vs-trump-again-judge-cites-presidential-tweets-as-he-blocks-daca-phaseout/?utm_term=.b7742b534f55
QuoteAlsup was tasked with, among other things, determining whether it would serve the public interest to leave DACA in place while litigation over the decision to scrap the program proceeds.

On this point, he had an easy answer: Trump himself had expressed support for DACA on Twitter in September, just days after Department of Homeland Security officials rescinded it.

"Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!" the president wrote in a Sept. 14 tweet. Another read: "Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!"

Those lines seemed to capture the program's benefits in a nutshell, Alsup wrote in a 49-page order.

"We seem to be in the unusual position wherein the ultimate authority over the agency, the Chief Executive, publicly favors the very program the agency has ended," the judge wrote. "For the reasons DACA was instituted and for the reasons tweeted by President Trump, this order finds that the public interest will be served by DACA's continuation."
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
1 Karma Chameleon point

Valmy

That does raise the question about how the bureaucracy should take his social media tirades. I presume that in conventional administrations the President making any sort of statement would be noticed and taken into account by department heads.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

garbon

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/hillary-clinton-trump-white-house-kellyanne-conway-335856

QuoteAfter Trump tweets about Clinton, Conway says 'no one' at White House talks about her

Counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway told Fox News on Thursday that "no one at the White House talks about Hillary Clinton," even though President Donald Trump tweeted about "Crooked Hillary" emails earlier the same morning.

"Things happen here every single day," Conway said Thursday morning. "And yet people are stuck in last year's election and about that woman who will never be president...No one at the White House talks about Hillary Clinton. Only when we're forced to and only with the requisite eye rolls."

The president, however, had brought his former Democratic rival up earlier the same day, tweeting at the Fox News show "Fox & Friends": "Did Dems or Clinton also pay Russians? Where are hidden and smashed DNC servers? Where are Crooked Hillary Emails? What a mess!"

Trump also mentioned Clinton a day earlier at a press conference with the Norwegian prime minister, pivoting from a question about whether he would sit for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller to discuss the former secretary of state's 2016 meeting with the FBI over a private email system she used while in office.

But Conway insisted on Thursday that White House officials rarely discuss their ex-rival.

"I know people love to talk about how we're so obsessed with Hillary Clinton here," Conway added. "The fact is, we only have to talk about her because people won't let go of an election that she lost miserably, and she's going to be an ungracious loser."
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Habbaku

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-us-ambassador-netherlands-hoekstra-20180110-story.html\

Quote'This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions': U.S. ambassador offers uncomfortable silence


Peter Hoekstra, the newly minted U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands, held his first conference with the Dutch media at his new residence in the Hague on Wednesday.

It did not go well.

Dutch journalists peppered Hoekstra, who became Trump's ambassador after serving 18 years as a Republican congressman from Michigan, with questions on unsubstantiated claims he made in 2015 about the chaos the "Islamic movement" had brought to the Netherlands.

"There are cars being burned, there are politicians that are being burned," he had said at a conference hosted by a conservative group. "And yes, there are no-go zones in the Netherlands."

The comments have widely been described as inaccurate, and reflect certain conspiracies about sharia law that crop up in some circles of the far-right in the West. When pressed by the Dutch reporters, Hoekstra declined to retract the comments or give specific examples to back them up.

In fact, after saying that he would be "revisiting the issue," he simply refused to answer the question at all.

But the reporters were not done with the line of questioning yet. Instead of moving on, another reporter would simply ask a variation on the question again.

"Everybody there had one question: that crazy statement you made, are you going to withdraw it?" said Roel Geeraedts, a political reporter at the Dutch television station RTL Nieuws in a phone interview about the event. "We were not getting answers, so we all kept asking it."

Geeraedts published a segment with video of the remarkable exchange on social media.

After at least one person had asked the question, Geeraedts followed up to ask Hoekstra about a John Adams quote - Adams was the United States' first ambassador to Holland - that was mounted right behind the ambassador. Hoekstra said he had read the quote, which expresses Adams' hope that only "honest and wise men ever rule under this roof."

"If you're truly an honest and wise man, could you please take back the remark about burned politicians or name the politician that was burned in the Netherlands?" Geeraedts asked.

An uncomfortable silence followed the question.

"Thank you," Hoekstra said, before trying to call on someone else over the clamor of the reporters in the room.

"Excuse me, I asked you a question," Geeraedts said.

Another journalist jumped in.

"Mr. Ambassador, can you mention any example of a Dutch politician who was burned in recent years?"

Again, silence, as Hoekstra stared around the room.

"This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions," another reporter said.

Sherry Keneson-Hall, an embassy counselor who was helping run the news conference, pushed back, asserting that Hoekstra was answering the questions.

At least one more journalist fired the question off. Reporters had asked the question at least five times.

"We were all astonished that he didn't want to take back the comment. It was simply untrue, so why not take it back?" said Geeraedts. "It was awkward, to be honest."

Hoekstra has been in hot water in the Netherlands for the remarks since he was first confronted by a Dutch journalist, Wouter Zwart, in December. Hoekstra falsely claimed to Zwart that he had never made the remarks and called them "fake news." Moments later, he denied that he had called them fake news.

Video of the bizarre exchange, juxtaposed with his "no-go zone" remarks, went viral, and the episode drew a slew of critical headlines in the United States and the Netherlands.

Hoekstra's silence when faced with reporters' questions on Wednesday drew a similar response.

"Embarrassing performance from controversial ambassador," read a web headline at De Telegraaf, one of the country's largest newspapers. "Ambassador Hoekstra lost his way again in The Hague," read another. "Very uncomfortable meeting between ambassador and journalists," went RTL Nieuws.

Hoekstra pointed to the public regrets he had made for the exchange with Zwart on Wednesday. But he did not clarify whether the apology was meant to include the no-go zone comments when asked on Wednesday. At one point, he seemed to indicate that he was most concerned about the interview, not the statements.

"It is not about my personal views anymore. This is about the views on the policies of the United States of America as directed by this administration," he said. "One interview is not going to have an impact. The other thing I just want to reinforce, this relationship has been maintained by countless people over the last 400 years, this is not about me."

A CNN report published this week documented multiple times Hoekstra had referred to "no-go zones," in European cities during appearances on conservative media, including talk radio, and a print op-ed, and unearthed other instances where he had given fuel to conspiracy theories about Muslims.

He speculated that some 10-15 percent of the Muslim community in the world - 270 million people - were radical Islamist militants and appeared to imply that Huma Abedin had "egregious" ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, a claim that The Washington Post's fact-checker Glenn Kessler, and other publications, have determined as "bogus." On another far-right show, Hoekstra said he had considered the possibly that President Barack Obama might be intentionally aiding the rise of Muslim extremists.

The State Department did not return a request for comment.

Geeraedts said he believed that Hoekstra's behavior confirmed some suspicions the Dutch have about the Trump administration.

"A lot of Dutch people have seen the press conferences of the White House and seen how some questions are not answered," he said. "Everybody knows about 'alternative facts.' And this fits that picture."

He said that the press corps' unwillingness to let the question go was a spontaneous response, and said he had seen a similar tactic employed on a smaller scale when Dutch politicians gave evasive answers to direct questions. But he said politics in the Netherlands differed a bit from the current situation in the United States.

"In the Netherlands you don't get a straight up answer, if you ask straight up questions," he said. "But you hardly get false answers."
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien