The Burkini Ban

[Josephus]

Surprised there's no Languish ruling on this.

My take: this is nothing but a racist, anti-Muslim decree masquerading as Pro-Female, Pro Secularism.

Honestly, on the beaches of France, for decades, anything goes. You want to wear a piece of cloth that barely covers your clit, fine. No problem. But wait.....you want to cover your whole body....Outrageous.

[garbon]

We've been discussing this for days.

[Josephus]

We've been discussing this for days.

fuck...I did search you know.

[Josephus]

We've been discussing this for days.

years actually.

[Valmy]

Surprised there's no Languish ruling on this.

My take: this is nothing but a racist, anti-Muslim decree masquerading as Pro-Female, Pro Secularism.

Honestly, on the beaches of France, for decades, anything goes. You want to wear a piece of cloth that barely covers your clit, fine. No problem. But wait.....you want to cover your whole body....Outrageous.

We have been discussing it in the Prison Food thread...because of course we have.

[Martinus]

Prison food thread renamed because fuck you, that's why.

[Josephus]

Prison food thread renamed because fuck you, that's why.

thanks

[Martinus]

Prison food thread renamed because fuck you, that's why.

thanks

Do me a favour and read the article by Maajid Nawaz I posted, and comment on it.

[Josquius]

Out of it I heard an interesting summary.
In America freedom of religion exists out of the believe that religion needs protecting from the state.
In France freedom of religion exists out of the belief that the state needs protecting from religion.

[viper37]

Surprised there's no Languish ruling on this.

My take: this is nothing but a racist, anti-Muslim decree masquerading as Pro-Female, Pro Secularism.

Honestly, on the beaches of France, for decades, anything goes. You want to wear a piece of cloth that barely covers your clit, fine. No problem. But wait.....you want to cover your whole body....Outrageous.

you shouldn't use the beach to make a political statement, just like you'll get fined for having sex on a public beach.

Why should we allow the ennemy to spread its propaganda here?  Secularism is the dam that protects democracy and it's under attack from within as well as without.

[Josephus]

Surprised there's no Languish ruling on this.

My take: this is nothing but a racist, anti-Muslim decree masquerading as Pro-Female, Pro Secularism.

Honestly, on the beaches of France, for decades, anything goes. You want to wear a piece of cloth that barely covers your clit, fine. No problem. But wait.....you want to cover your whole body....Outrageous.

you shouldn't use the beach to make a political statement, just like you'll get fined for having sex on a public beach.

Why should we allow the ennemy to spread its propaganda here?  Secularism is the dam that protects democracy and it's under attack from within as well as without.

Where do you draw the line then. If  a guy wears a Speedo with a Star of David on it, should that be banned. if a woman with a disfigurement wants to cover her body, should she be told not to. It's not about making a point at a beach. I'm sure that wasn't the intention.
I take my 5 year old niece to a water park north of Toronto and I do see some women in Burkins. I feel a bit sorry for them, cause that's got to be uncomfortable, but I doubt they're wearing it here and now to make a point.

[viper37]

Out of it I heard an interesting summary.
In America freedom of religion exists out of the believe that religion needs protecting from the state.
In France freedom of religion exists out of the belief that the state needs protecting from religion.

and we've seen wich one works the best, imho.  American politics tainted by religion leads to Trump like candidate gaining huge support.  The closest you got in France is a Front National overing at 20% at the general election once per generation.

[Valmy]

American politics tainted by religion leads to Trump like candidate gaining huge support.

Trump isn't particularly religious

[viper37]

Surprised there's no Languish ruling on this.

My take: this is nothing but a racist, anti-Muslim decree masquerading as Pro-Female, Pro Secularism.

Honestly, on the beaches of France, for decades, anything goes. You want to wear a piece of cloth that barely covers your clit, fine. No problem. But wait.....you want to cover your whole body....Outrageous.

you shouldn't use the beach to make a political statement, just like you'll get fined for having sex on a public beach.

Why should we allow the ennemy to spread its propaganda here?  Secularism is the dam that protects democracy and it's under attack from within as well as without.

Where do you draw the line then. If  a guy wears a Speedo with a Star of David on it, should that be banned. if a woman with a disfigurement wants to cover her body, should she be told not to. It's not about making a point at a beach. I'm sure that wasn't the intention.
I take my 5 year old niece to a water park north of Toronto and I do see some women in Burkins. I feel a bit sorry for them, cause that's got to be uncomfortable, but I doubt they're wearing it here and now to make a point.

There are religious Jewish sects in Quebec.  They were forced to flee in Ontaria, and later in South American due to persecution from authorities.  Kids were beaten, starved, educated in strict religious morals, seperated from their parents, all in the name of God.
Lots of people called the province racist for that.  Unfair persecution of religious people.

Why is it we are there?  Protecting children from fuck ups is considered an attack agains relgious freedom now?  If we rescue kids from a neo-nazi boot camp, are we attacking freedom of thoughts too?

We've left way too much leeway to religious extremism, and now they are converting more&more people to their cause everyday.

You tell women they are unpure, they are whores if not dressed in a certain way.  You attack them on the street when they are not dressed in a certain way.  And suddenly, they make a "free choice" of dressing a certain way.  And then you have entire communities thinking women are inferior to men and don't deserve equal rights.  And then they push back violently against their host society as they feel ostracized for living in a society that is not to their image.

This is how you create terrorism, and it's what we have to deal now in Western countries.

Religion is private, that's it.  It has no place in a courtroom, it has no place in the army, it has no place in the city counsel, it has no place on the beach.  Worship who you want.  Believe what you want.  Attend the religious service you want when you want.  Fast or feast as you want.  But respect the rights of others to not share your beliefs.

[viper37]

American politics tainted by religion leads to Trump like candidate gaining huge support.

Trump isn't particularly religious

his followers are.  I'm not concerned about Trump, I am about the people following and immitating him.