Coup attempt in Turkey

[Tamas]

Looks like the purges are beginning, starting with the justice system. According to NTV around 2750 judges have been sacked.

For what a shitty coup it was, there were certainly a very large number of judges involved in it. 

Turkey is going to be a very sad place. A pretend-democracy dictatorship that will put Russia to shame, fighting a civil war against Kurds and being harassed by ISIS.

The only way I am going to be fine with all that if Erdogan re-conquers the Middle Eastern territories of the Ottoman Empire and keeps order

[HisMajestyBOB]

But now the secularists and anyone else who could stop Erdogan is going to get sacked.
The secular army should have joined in then brushed aside the Gulenists once Erdogan was out. Now they'll get purged.

[Razgovory]

Question:  Why is it "Islamist"?  Have announced a theocracy?  Forced religious conversions? Mandatory mosque attendance?  Why don't you break it down for me.

An Islamist is someone who is willing to commit violence to fulfill what he conceives to be the will of Allah.

As far as I know he doesn't claim a direct line from God.  He also hasn't declared Jihad on anyone.

[Solmyr]

Apparently Turkey has blocked access to Incirlik base and cut its power.

[Tamas]

Apparently Turkey has blocked access to Incirlik base and cut its power.

Odds of deal with Putin: rising.

My theory is that either Erdogan knew something was brewing and he apologised to Putin as part of preparations to lure the conspirators into acting, or Putin was approached by the rebels and he sold them out to Erdogan.

[Malicious Intent]

Apparently Turkey has blocked access to Incirlik base and cut its power.

With everyone being nervous about the military right now, they probably just don't want any US and German troops moving around to potentially complicate things. At least I hope so.
Though one would think that kindly asking your allies to suspend any operations for the time being would have been more appropriate. Cutting the power seems a bit excessive.

[garbon]

And now just saw one of my good friends is currently in Istanbul airport...

Hope your friend is okay.  I am sure the army wants the airport protected, however.

So she is unsurprisingly rattled but remained safe. I hadn't wanted to bother her last night knowing she was being innudated with people checking in so just kept looking at her last seem status on whatsapp to figure she was okay.

She won't be able to fly out till the wee hours of the morning so also has joy of over 24 hours in an airport.

[MadImmortalMan]

Yeah...while I doubt the earlier suggestion that it was a "Reichstag Fire" kinda plot, a lot of the fallout will likely be the same nonetheless.

I'm not convinced yet. He was conveniently out of reach at the time.

[derspiess]

The only way I am going to be fine with all that if Erdogan re-conquers the Middle Eastern territories of the Ottoman Empire and keeps order

Will you be: Hungary for Turkey?

[Razgovory]

It is remarkable how many intelligent people throw away good sense when Muslims are involved.

[garbon]

It is remarkable how many intelligent people throw away good sense when Muslims are involved.

While that's true, I don't see why you'd post that comment at this time.

[Berkut]

Question:  Why is it "Islamist"?  Have announced a theocracy?  Forced religious conversions? Mandatory mosque attendance?  Why don't you break it down for me.

An Islamist is someone who is willing to commit violence to fulfill what he conceives to be the will of Allah.

I would consider that a jihadist.

An Islamist is someone who believes that the best form of government is one informed by Islam - i.e., it is a political movement.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Yeah, I'm using the term Islamist to mean a Muslim anti-secularist, who believes government should enshrine Islamic principles and laws etc. Basically the government of Tehran or other Muslim states that function in this way. Turkey has always been notable for having a strictly secular government. Much like the United States, which has a secular government and a large portion of the population who do not respect that, this has lead to tensions. But the anti-secularists in America never made up such a large percentage of the population as they do in Turkey (where I've read they're an outright majority, I think here they probably represent a solid 35-45% of the country), and America also just has much stronger constitutional and democratic traditions protecting it from a fundamentalist Christian power monger remaking the state into an "evangelical regime."

[Berkut]

Yeah, I consider Islamist to basically be the opposite of a secularist - someone who thinks that Islam is the foundational framework for political and social structures.

Obviously, that is a range from those who think that the state should be secular, but informed by Islamic law, to those who think the state should be an outright theocracy.

A jihadist is an islamist who thinks that those goals should be promoted by violence if necessary.

[Razgovory]

It is remarkable how many intelligent people throw away good sense when Muslims are involved.

While that's true, I don't see why you'd post that comment at this time.

While people spin conspiracy theories?  I mean expect that from Tamas.