The Summer 2016 UK Political and Constitutional Crisis

Started by mongers, June 20, 2016, 05:08:36 PM

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Zanza

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2016, 02:39:27 AM
I know what the US federal government is supposed to do when a hurricane hits the US.  I don't know what you expect the UK government to do after a referendum.

The European Union has expressed its expectations regarding the start of negotiations, named a chief negotiator, convened a summit of the heads of governments to discuss the strategy and there have also been informal meetings of the "Carolingian" core-EU foreign ministers and head of governments to discuss the strategy ahead of the summit. So it's not like there is nothing you can do as a reaction...

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Zanza on June 27, 2016, 02:47:23 AM
The European Union has expressed its expectations regarding the start of negotiations, named a chief negotiator, convened a summit of the heads of governments to discuss the strategy and there have also been informal meetings of the "Carolingian" core-EU foreign ministers and head of governments to discuss the strategy ahead of the summit. So it's not like there is nothing you can do as a reaction...

I thought Biscuit was talking more about damage control.

If not, then I think Cameron resigning and leaving the office up for grabs is the contingency plan.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2016, 02:39:27 AM

I know what the US federal government is supposed to do when a hurricane hits the US.  I don't know what you expect the UK government to do after a referendum.

They should either enforce the people's will or double down and say they won't do it. What they shouldn't do is run around like chicken's with their head's cut off until October.
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mongers

Some uncertainty in the markets, the pound has edged down, some banks particularly Barclays seem to have issues.

Will DJ bounce and stay up today?
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Sheilbh

There's bound to be uncertainty. Vibe I get is the City isn't really that worried. Think Mervyn is right with what he just said: long-term the difference between in and out isn't that big. Unrelated I think his message of moderate pro-remainism would have worked a lot better than the actual campaign's decision to predict total economic collapse.

Everyone could do with calming down a bit.
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garbon

Quote from: Zanza on June 27, 2016, 02:30:59 AM
If Britain violates the treaty obligations by e.g. no longer applying ECJ rulings or limiting freedom of movement like some of the Brexiteers suggested, the EU could use the nuclear option in Article 7 and basically suspend British membership.

I'm sure that would work out really well for the EU.
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Zanza

Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2016, 06:59:57 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 27, 2016, 02:30:59 AM
If Britain violates the treaty obligations by e.g. no longer applying ECJ rulings or limiting freedom of movement like some of the Brexiteers suggested, the EU could use the nuclear option in Article 7 and basically suspend British membership.

I'm sure that would work out really well for the EU.
Politicians considering what will work out well in the long term seem to be in short supply at the moment. I don't expect the EU to ever use that article, but with the idiocy we've seen so far, I wouldn't completely rule it out either. People like Juncker or Schulz seem to be personally offended by the result. I wouldn't put it past them to act like petulant children.

Sheilbh

I also wouldn't expect the UK to stop implementing EU law as long as we're in. I mean we're not France. Plus it'd be unlawful and there's no way the courts would allow it if challenged (which it would be).
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Ed Anger

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Legbiter

Quote from: Ed Anger on June 27, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Quote[DPRK News Service ‏@DPRK_News
World progressives urge English Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to hold "purge of blood," ruthlessly slaughtering those opposed English Socialism



:lol:

Eh,seriously, it'll get sorted out over a cup of tea.
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Agelastus

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 27, 2016, 01:58:33 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 27, 2016, 01:56:09 AM
I don't know why is he stepping down in October instead of now. Why the needless impasse? Even more uncertainty is the least thing we need right now.

Tory party rules for choosing a new leader................feel free to get cross.

At the people who demanded increased "Democracy" in the choosing of Party Leaders; at least the Tory system is more sensible than Labour's in that it at least guarantees a leader who should be able to command the support of the Parliamentary party.

If this was the Sixties we could have had a new Prime-Minister by today, next week at the latest given the current crisis.

It might have been an unexpected and strange choice, of course... :)
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Zanza

Quote from: Sheilbh on June 27, 2016, 07:08:00 AM
I also wouldn't expect the UK to stop implementing EU law as long as we're in. I mean we're not France. Plus it'd be unlawful and there's no way the courts would allow it if challenged (which it would be).

According to the BBC, Johnson and Gove think about it:

QuoteMr Cameron previously said he would trigger Article 50 as soon as possible after a Leave vote but Mr Johnson and Mr Gove, who led the campaign to get Britain out of the EU, have said he should not rush into it.
They also said they wanted to make immediate changes before the UK actually leaves the EU, such as curbing the power of EU judges and limiting the free movement of workers, potentially in breach of the UK's treaty obligations.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028

Sheilbh

They're not in charge. They'd be overruled by the courts.
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Richard Hakluyt

Who knows..................there is a risk that the lunatics will end up running the asylum.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Sheilbh on June 27, 2016, 07:08:00 AM
I also wouldn't expect the UK to stop implementing EU law as long as we're in. I mean we're not France. Plus it'd be unlawful and there's no way the courts would allow it if challenged (which it would be).

:lol:

Opt-outs for the win! Enjoy the Brexit, Tories and Corbyn et adieu !  :frog: