Gay sauna in Luton, UK not extended a license: too close to a mosque

[LaCroix]

there is a particular reason--neighborhood folk don't want a sex shop in their neighborhood. keeps neighborhood clean, etc. same reason why people rally against half-way homes built in their neighborhoods

[Martinus]

The parts quoted from the petition/letters make it sound like the Mooslimbs object not so much to porn and sex, but the fact that it was related to homosexuality though.

So? Is it extra objectionable because they object to the kind of sex you like as opposed to the kind of sex they like?

This is such a mountain out of a molehill.

Who cares? So we find out that in a given population there are a bunch of prudes. Shocking! Who would have thought it!

Because they are launching political activities to make life difficult for other people for no particular reason?

Is it 'nobody cares' when the fundies over here shut down sex education programs to you? I just do not get it you have even gone after me for my religious beliefs and I am not out doing stuff like this. What made you so tolerant now concerning something that typifies why they create problems.

Because they are Mooslimbs and for regressive left Mooslimbs rank higher on the ladder of oppression than fags. 

White Christian straight men are at the bottom - sorry Valmy.

[MadImmortalMan]

there is a particular reason--neighborhood folk don't want a sex shop in their neighborhood. keeps neighborhood clean, etc. same reason why people rally against half-way homes built in their neighborhoods

Isn't that reason rather immoral?

[LaCroix]

(1) was in response to "no particular reason"
(2) don't see how it's necessarily immoral

[MadImmortalMan]

It's an extension of the "we don't want the {jewsblacksgaysfelonsforeignersetc} in our neighborhood" impulse. To me, that's immoral.

[Sheilbh]

Because they are launching political activities to make life difficult for other people for no particular reason?

How are they launching a political activity? It's a normal part of the process for any planning application to open up for consultation - even getting an extension or building a new conservatory. Should they not exercise that right because it's a predominately Muslim area and this is a gay business?

And again I think there are many reasons why you wouldn't want a sex shop in your area, beyond religion.

It's an extension of the "we don't want the {jewsblacksgaysfelonsforeignersetc} in our neighborhood" impulse. To me, that's immoral.

I think that's more the case in the numerous examples of campaigns against Mosques opening in a neighbourhood than here. There is already a gay sauna and there will continue to be a gay sauna.

I don't think this is any more immoral than people objecting to pubs, off-licenses or betting shops in their neighbourhood.

[LaCroix]

I don't think this is any more immoral than people objecting to pubs, off-licenses or betting shops in their neighbourhood.

yup

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"we don't want the {jewsblacksgaysfelonsforeignersetc} in our neighborhood" impulse. To me, that's immoral.

replace {jewsblacksgaysfelonsforeignersetc} with {scum/bad people/etc.}. it's a fairly normal attitude

[Ancient Demon]

There is already a gay sauna and there will continue to be a gay sauna.

For now, because the Muslim community is not yet large and influential enough to force it to close. Something to keep in mind when considering the wisdom of bringing in millions more of these people.

[Sheilbh]

Grindr's more likely to shut down gay saunas than Muslims I'm afraid.

[Ancient Demon]

Grindr's more likely to shut down gay saunas than Muslims I'm afraid.

Possibly, but I think there's a difference between a business closing due to lack of demand and being forced to close due to political/religious pressure. I'm sorry if you don't see the difference or consider it to be relevant.

[MadImmortalMan]

replace {jewsblacksgaysfelonsforeignersetc} with {scum/bad people/etc.}. it's a fairly normal attitude

That's the same thing.

[MadImmortalMan]

There are some primaries going on here, and there are these ads on the radio for one Republican running against another one. The ad is for the challenger and against the incumbent. What happened is the incumbent Republican is on the board of a charity that runs some halfway houses for people getting out of jail. These properties are in various places around and I guess one or more of them must be in some sensitive suburbia because the ads against the guy accuse him of "putting felons in residential neighborhoods". What a pile of bigoted shit. Where are the felons supposed to live? The black part of town? I hope that guy somehow finds himself getting out of jail and looking for a place to live.

[Valmy]

How are they launching a political activity? It's a normal part of the process for any planning application to open up for consultation - even getting an extension or building a new conservatory. Should they not exercise that right because it's a predominately Muslim area and this is a gay business?

They shouldn't exercise the right because it is petty and mean spirited. There are any things I have a right to do that I still shouldn't do.

And again I think there are many reasons why you wouldn't want a sex shop in your area, beyond religion.

But this is an already existing business just wanting to offer somethign extra to an already existing customer base. How would that impact the area at all? It wouldn't. They are just fucking with them because they generally don't like them.

I don't think this is any more immoral than people objecting to pubs, off-licenses or betting shops in their neighbourhood.

I think it is shitty and mean spirited. The extent that being an asshole is immoral I guess is up in the air.

Being a Texan I see this kind of shit all the time. It is very tiresome.

[Razgovory]

It's an extension of the "we don't want the {jewsblacksgaysfelonsforeignersetc} in our neighborhood" impulse. To me, that's immoral.

What are the moral reasons?

[derspiess]

So it's immoral not to want felons in your neighborhood, where they will increase the crime rate and drive down property value?