Archaeologists do it in holes: Tales from the stratigraphy

[Jacob]

The conclusion of the Germania piece, on the culmination of the history of the German race:

Following Germany and Austria's defeat at the hands of the Western Powers in 1919, a pan-Germanic movement took power in Germany. Aiming at dominating most of the Old World, they launched the greatest war in history. They succeeding in briefly unifying all of the Germanic states of the world other than the United States, Great Britain, Sweden, and Switzerland into their empire prior to their total defeat.

The range of the Germans was cut dramatically after the end of the Second World War. They lost much of the Baltic coast, Silesia, Czechia, as well as their settlements across the Balkans, Ukraine, and Poland. Shorn of the eastern territories which had brought the Germans their militaristic vision and the generals to act upon it, they turned to the West. The old dream of the Germanic tribes on the Rhine and Danube frontiers of the Romans, to become wealthy through trade and industry in the shadow of a greater empire, replaced the later dreams of freedom and power which had led Germany to a third ruin in 1,500 years.

[Josquius]

Make sure to read the guy's earlier piece about how the US should annex Canada as well.

Ah. I thought that opening quote about the awesome purity of the German race was mocking considering he then goes on about all the mixing.

Given he's one of those I wonder how reliable this is? As it's news to me we have such a good understanding of events of prehistory.

It's sad as I am really interested in this sort of thing, especially when it comes to Germanic folk what with being British. But damn it is anything on the topic so tainted by scum bags who can't be trusted to stick to the facts.

[crazy canuck]

An exhaustive overview of the origins and migrations of the Germanic people over the last few thousand years. This pulls together all the recent research in genetics, archeology and linguistics. Pretty decent overview.

The Origins & Migrations of the Germanic peoples

I stopped reading when he referred to the early European farmers as a race in the second paragraph. I assume it got more loopy from there.

[mongers]

An exhaustive overview of the origins and migrations of the Germanic people over the last few thousand years. This pulls together all the recent research in genetics, archeology and linguistics. Pretty decent overview.

The Origins & Migrations of the Germanic peoples

I stopped reading when he referred to the early European farmers as a race in the second paragraph. I assume it got more loopy from there.

He should have considered the law of holes, unless of course if he's an actual archaeologist, then the prime directive* overrules it.


* when in trouble, dig faster and deeper.

[Sheilbh]

It's sad as I am really interested in this sort of thing, especially when it comes to Germanic folk what with being British. But damn it is anything on the topic so tainted by scum bags who can't be trusted to stick to the facts.

It's funny because it's one of those things I just can't have any interest in and really struggle with understanding. But I am a total philistine and have much the same view of basically anything pre-historic/pre-oral or written narrative traditions (I need some stories! ) - it's just so distant from and difficult to see the stuff I find interesting. I'm just not imaginative enough.

Although as a Celt noting interest in German types "with being British"

[Razgovory]

"Elder races" is a weird term outside of fantasy.

[mongers]

It's sad as I am really interested in this sort of thing, especially when it comes to Germanic folk what with being British. But damn it is anything on the topic so tainted by scum bags who can't be trusted to stick to the facts.

It's funny because it's one of those things I just can't have any interest in and really struggle with understanding. But I am a total philistine and have much the same view of basically anything pre-historic/pre-oral or written narrative traditions (I need some stories! ) - it's just so distant from and difficult to see the stuff I find interesting. I'm just not imaginative enough.

Although as a Celt noting interest in German types "with being British"

Our landscapes and the underlying geology are stories in and of themselves.

[Jacob]

Although as a Celt noting interest in German types "with being British"

Pretty sure the guy is American (and considers the US a German nation).

[Josquius]

It's sad as I am really interested in this sort of thing, especially when it comes to Germanic folk what with being British. But damn it is anything on the topic so tainted by scum bags who can't be trusted to stick to the facts.

It's funny because it's one of those things I just can't have any interest in and really struggle with understanding. But I am a total philistine and have much the same view of basically anything pre-historic/pre-oral or written narrative traditions (I need some stories! ) - it's just so distant from and difficult to see the stuff I find interesting. I'm just not imaginative enough.

Although as a Celt noting interest in German types "with being British"

There are stories. It's part of what I find really interesting. Like how we have bears rather than ours because of some weird beliefs about bears.
The theories about the two families of Germanic gods come from a substrate of a conquered people.
Tyr somehow finding himself demoted from supreme god to a pretty unpopular spare.
So on.

The Germanic and Celtic peoples were without a doubt the two main groups who made Britain what it is.
Though honestly I find the Celtic stuff really hard to wrap my head around. The Germanic stuff just makes more sense.

Well. Plus the Romans of course. But plenty of proper well understood written history there.

[HVC]

Although as a Celt noting interest in German types "with being British"

Pretty sure the guy is American (and considers the US a German nation).

Think he's referencing josq.

As for celts, I don't know about Scotland and Ireland, but with the influence of Romans first, and then three waves germanic invasions (Normans were in part germanic too) i don't know how much Celtics culture remains in England.

[Jacob]

Think he's referencing josq.

  

[HVC]

Celtics pride in Britain is interesting. I mean Iberia has a similar timeline. Celtic>*roman>germanic>moorish in the case of Iberia. The moors came about 300 years before the brits got Normaned, but not that far off. But no one in Iberia, as far as I know, identifies with Celtic culture.


* southern spain got a few decades of carthagenian influence in there too.

[Sheilbh]

Think he's referencing josq.

As for celts, I don't know about Scotland and Ireland, but with the influence of Romans first, and then three waves germanic invasions (Normans were in part germanic too) i don't know how much Celtics culture remains in England.

Oh nothing for sure - and I did also note Josq's very on brand casual exclusion of the Norman/French element of British history

My family's Irish but your point's taken and a lot of modern "Celtic" culture is in itself a product of 19th century revival movements - much like folklorists and narodniks in other parts of Europe. As in everything a quest for authenticity is very futile. But totally in relation to England - there's no "culture" there. It is astonishing the lack of remnants of Celtic or Romano-British culture even in things like place names. They're very rare compared to Anglo-Saxon or Norman or Norse or even Central French traces.

It's one of the reasons I'm a little dubious on the theories of waves of fundamentally peaceful migration by Anglo-Saxons as opposed to a rather more brutal process. But I think it swings - as I say I remember the strong revisionist take when I was growing up about how the Vikings were a great bunch of lads mainly out to do some trading, to the now revisionist take that there was, in fact, a fair amount of rapine and pillaging going on

Pretty sure the guy is American (and considers the US a German nation).

Oh I'm not reading that

[HVC]

Pretty sure the guy is American (and considers the US a German nation).

Oh I'm not reading that

Because he's American or because he's a white supremacist? Just to clarify

[Sheilbh]

Celtics pride in Britain is interesting. I mean Iberia has a similar timeline. Celtic>*roman>germanic>moorish in the case of Iberia. The moors came about 300 years before the brits got Normaned, but not that far off. But no one in Iberia, as far as I know, identifies with Celtic culture.


* southern spain got a few decades of carthagenian influence in there too.

It's 19th century Romanticism and nationalism.

Sir Walter Scott rehabilitating tartan and Highland dress as part of reconciling Scotland (and Scotland within Britain) to the Hanoverians after the Jacobite rebellions - while also inventing the great (fictional) historic narrative on those rebellions. The creation of the National Eisteddfod and crowning a national bard in 19th century Wales. Or the Gaelic Revival (and foundation of, say, the Gaelic Athletic Association).

It's about creative re-creation. And it's possible that some genuine cultural legacies (particularly in West Wales, the Gaeltacht and parts of the Highlands) were genuinely carried over but it's very 19th century.

And that's a really Victorian process. The English version is incredible reform across almost every aspect of society across the 19th century - but being done with Gothic Revival architecture, in rooms decorated by Pugin, with Pre-Raphaelite pictures on the wall of Medieval myths and, say, formalising things like judge's outfits etc. Make it radically new and exciting, but make it look ancient is a consistent 19th century vibe across these isles.