Would the U.S. Drop the Bomb Again? 59% of Americans would if similarly provoked

Started by jimmy olsen, May 22, 2016, 10:54:27 PM

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Should the US nuke Iran to save the lives of 20,000 American soldiers?

Yes
6 (23.1%)
Only if they have developed a nuclear weapon
1 (3.8%)
Only if they have used chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.
6 (23.1%)
Only if some larger arbitrary number of US soldiers are at risk (please list, 50k, 100k, etc)
0 (0%)
No, the US can beat Iran under any circumstances without resorting to nukes.
13 (50%)

Total Members Voted: 25

lustindarkness

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Caliga

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grumbler

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 09:43:32 AM
grumbler loves beating up on non-native English-speakers with English semantics, it's one of his specialties.

Indeed.  When people say things that make no sense and can't be parsed from the context, I question it.  Some see that as "beating up," some don't.  Feel free to interpret my actions as you please.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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grumbler

Quote from: Maladict on May 23, 2016, 11:31:36 AM
I never said those events were not recent.
The reason they don't rate and 9/11 does is the premise (not mine) that modern day Americans are placed in certain conditions similar to those of Pearl Harbor, namely 2000 American deaths as a result of a foreign strike. I alluded to the fact that, in this sense, they had been not too long ago.

Okay, so someone made a bad analogy to Pearl Harbor and you made a bad analogy to 9/11.  Congrats, I guess.

QuoteMy example would have been easily countered incidentally, Tim for one made a fair point.

Instead you centered on the admittedly vague meaning of recently (but to you apparently the only word that was not opaque)  and, ignoring the very specific (not opaque) meaning  of 2000 American deaths and the subsequent invasion of two countries, claimed that it must be about Bataclan.

I'm not going to chase you down this rat hole.  If you want to allude to 9/11, the term is "9/11."

QuoteOxford, Macmillan, Merriam-Webster and Collins are good enough for me, thanks.
Although to be honest I was just winging it, I did not consult any of them when writing the sentence.

You should have consulted them, if you really wanted to use some obtuse definition rather than using the word.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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mongers

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Razgovory

Quote from: grumbler on May 23, 2016, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 23, 2016, 09:43:32 AM
grumbler loves beating up on non-native English-speakers with English semantics, it's one of his specialties.

Indeed.  When people say things that make no sense and can't be parsed from the context, I question it.  Some see that as "beating up," some don't.  Feel free to interpret my actions as you please.

How come every one else can figure it out?  Why is it you are the only one who has trouble understanding written English?  I mean, Marty figures this shit out, and his native language is essentially barking.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

Quote from: mongers on May 23, 2016, 12:06:17 PM
Quality thread.  :cool:

And grumbler rode it all the way down from the bomb bay, hat waving in the air.

Josquius

 We know what nuclear bombs do in great detail now. No need for further live tests.
And everyone already knows America could glass them if need be. No need to show off to the soviets.
So in a Hiroshima 2 scenario of course not.
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Maladict

Quote from: grumbler on May 23, 2016, 12:04:55 PM
If you want to allude to 9/11, the term is "9/11."

If I used the term "9/11" I wouldn't be alluding to it. Don't make me post the definition again.


CountDeMoney

You assholes, everybody knows you're really referring to Rescue 911 with William Shatner.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on May 23, 2016, 01:55:05 AM
Wasn't the projection something like 500k US casualties? And if the invasion of the Home Islands was anything like Okinawa, millions of armed civilians would have perished as well.

I've read 1,000,000 US casualties, of which 100K (200K?) dead.

Razgovory

Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2016, 12:37:56 PM
We know what nuclear bombs do in great detail now. No need for further live tests.
And everyone already knows America could glass them if need be. No need to show off to the soviets.
So in a Hiroshima 2 scenario of course not.

What qualifies as "as need be"?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

lustindarkness

Why is this still been discussed? Valmy, The Brain and I already decided what needs to happen earlier in the thread. Let's do this already and stop the useless blabbering.
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garbon

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