Would the U.S. Drop the Bomb Again? 59% of Americans would if similarly provoked

Started by jimmy olsen, May 22, 2016, 10:54:27 PM

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Should the US nuke Iran to save the lives of 20,000 American soldiers?

Yes
6 (23.1%)
Only if they have developed a nuclear weapon
1 (3.8%)
Only if they have used chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.
6 (23.1%)
Only if some larger arbitrary number of US soldiers are at risk (please list, 50k, 100k, etc)
0 (0%)
No, the US can beat Iran under any circumstances without resorting to nukes.
13 (50%)

Total Members Voted: 25

alfred russel

I assumed Maladict was originally referring to 9/11, and the *rushing movement and sound* comment referred to an obvious point going over grumbler's head.

Unless I was wrong (I think highly unlikely), I must just have better reading comprehension skills than grumbler. :)
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Maladict

Quote from: grumbler on May 23, 2016, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: Maladict on May 23, 2016, 08:41:40 AM
The context of that post wasn't clear enough as to which event I was referring to? 

You were being very opaque about everything except "recent."  If you mean something that happened 15 years ago, then "recent" doesn't mean what you think it does.

As an archaeologist everything in living memory is recent to me.
And I wasn't aware there had been more recent attacks that killed thousands of Americans followed by the invasion of two countries.


Quote from: grumbler on May 23, 2016, 08:54:11 AM
Quote*rushing movement and sound*

I am sure that this made sense in your mind, but it makes no sense when typed out.  "Rushing" is a verb or gerund, neither of of which can be used like this.   Are you practicing being opaque again?

You're the one who introduced it. I went with exclamation, which I assume is the use you intended.
Quotewhoosh

/(h)wo͞oSH,(h)wo͝oSH/

verb
verb: whoosh; 3rd person present: whooshes; past tense: whooshed; past participle: whooshed; gerund or present participle: whooshing; verb: woosh; 3rd person present: wooshes; past tense: wooshed; past participle: wooshed; gerund or present participle: wooshing

1.
move or cause to move quickly or suddenly with a rushing sound.
"a train whooshed by"

noun
noun: whoosh; plural noun: whooshes; noun: woosh; plural noun: wooshes

1.
a sudden movement accompanied by a rushing sound.
"there was a big whoosh of air"

exclamation
exclamation: whoosh; exclamation: woosh

1.
used to imitate a rushing movement and sound.



Capetan Mihali

:lol: Yeah, let's get a consistent definition of what "recent" means.  Just for today, not even an historically-consistent definition.  Obviously, 15 years is over-long.  How about 12?  10?

EDIT:  I don't know about the rest of the country or world, but FWIW, 9/11 feels pretty damn recent for a lot of New Yorkers.
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grumbler

Quote from: Maladict on May 23, 2016, 09:04:26 AM

As an archaeologist everything in living memory is recent to me.
And I wasn't aware there had been more recent attacks that killed thousands of Americans followed by the invasion of two countries.

That definition is fine with me, but that means that America recently dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, Germany's leaders recently conspired to ill six million Jews, and Rwanda's army and militias conspired to kill almost 800,000 people.  Given recent events, i don't know why you think 9/11 even rates.

QuoteYou're the one who introduced it. I went with exclamation, which I assume is the use you intended.
Quotewhoosh

/(h)wo͞oSH,(h)wo͝oSH/

verb
verb: whoosh; 3rd person present: whooshes; past tense: whooshed; past participle: whooshed; gerund or present participle: whooshing; verb: woosh; 3rd person present: wooshes; past tense: wooshed; past participle: wooshed; gerund or present participle: wooshing

1.
move or cause to move quickly or suddenly with a rushing sound.
"a train whooshed by"

noun
noun: whoosh; plural noun: whooshes; noun: woosh; plural noun: wooshes

1.
a sudden movement accompanied by a rushing sound.
"there was a big whoosh of air"

exclamation
exclamation: whoosh; exclamation: woosh

1.
used to imitate a rushing movement and sound.

You need to use a better source than tumblr as your guide to writing in English.  "Rushing sound' doesn't even make sense.
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grumbler

Quote from: alfred russel on May 23, 2016, 08:58:47 AM
I assumed Maladict was originally referring to 9/11, and the *rushing movement and sound* comment referred to an obvious point going over grumbler's head.

Unless I was wrong (I think highly unlikely), I must just have better reading comprehension skills than grumbler. :)

You like to assume a lot more than I like to.   :lol:
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Bayraktar!

HVC

Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

sbr

In a stunning turn of events grumbler entered the thread and suddenly everyone is linking to dictionary definitions. :lol:

Capetan Mihali

grumbler loves beating up on non-native English-speakers with English semantics, it's one of his specialties.
"The internet's completely over. [...] The internet's like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated. Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."
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HVC

Quote from: sbr on May 23, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
In a stunning turn of events grumbler entered the thread and suddenly everyone is linking to dictionary definitions. :lol:
he likes to play obtuse to get under people's skin.  At least I think he plays at it, would be kind of sad if that was his natural state. Ask him about tiny boats if you really want a laugh.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

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Valmy

The US would massively benefit from all those weapons vanishing overnight. They undermine the global security and stability we strive to uphold. Using them ourselves would be worse than a crime, it would be a mistake as Talleyrand would say.
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The Brain

Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:57:09 AM
The US would massively benefit from all those weapons vanishing overnight.

The only realistic way to do that is by detonating them.
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lustindarkness

Quote from: The Brain on May 23, 2016, 11:09:41 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2016, 10:57:09 AM
The US world would massively benefit from all those weapons vanishing overnight.

The only realistic way to do that is by detonating them.

And getting rid of the whole middle east in the process. Perfect solution for all. I like it, lets do it, do it now.
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Maladict

Quote from: grumbler on May 23, 2016, 09:35:11 AM
Quote from: Maladict on May 23, 2016, 09:04:26 AM

As an archaeologist everything in living memory is recent to me.
And I wasn't aware there had been more recent attacks that killed thousands of Americans followed by the invasion of two countries.

That definition is fine with me, but that means that America recently dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, Germany's leaders recently conspired to ill six million Jews, and Rwanda's army and militias conspired to kill almost 800,000 people.  Given recent events, i don't know why you think 9/11 even rates.

I never said those events were not recent.
The reason they don't rate and 9/11 does is the premise (not mine) that modern day Americans are placed in certain conditions similar to those of Pearl Harbor, namely 2000 American deaths as a result of a foreign strike. I alluded to the fact that, in this sense, they had been not too long ago.

My example would have been easily countered incidentally, Tim for one made a fair point.

Instead you centered on the admittedly vague meaning of recently (but to you apparently the only word that was not opaque)  and, ignoring the very specific (not opaque) meaning  of 2000 American deaths and the subsequent invasion of two countries, claimed that it must be about Bataclan.

And now that you've stated my definition of recent is fine (contradicting your earlier statement btw) I'm puzzled as to why I should have mentioned the Nazis or the Rwandan genocide.
Or maybe you misread, but I'm sure you would have said so by now if you did.

Quote from: grumbler on May 23, 2016, 09:35:11 AM
You need to use a better source than tumblr as your guide to writing in English.  "Rushing sound' doesn't even make sense.

Oxford, Macmillan, Merriam-Webster and Collins are good enough for me, thanks.
Although to be honest I was just winging it, I did not consult any of them when writing the sentence.


Hope you will get some :lol: out of this, you seem to enjoy doing that.

Razgovory

A "Rushing sound", kind of like the sound DGuller makes when he talks.
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