Venezuela is in even worse shape than you thought

Started by jimmy olsen, April 28, 2016, 05:41:15 PM

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Berkut

Quote from: The Brain on April 29, 2016, 11:49:02 AM
I still think Socialism works, if only the world would give it a proper chance.

Socialism has worked, and socialism has not worked.

It seems to be working just fine, right now, in some places.

I am not sure I understand the point behind comments like this...
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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Razgovory

Sometimes I wonder if this is the path we should have taken in the Cold War.  Instead of fighting Marxist regimes in South and Central America, just let them burn out.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

crazy canuck

Quote from: Razgovory on April 29, 2016, 01:21:06 PM
Sometimes I wonder if this is the path we should have taken in the Cold War.  Instead of fighting Marxist regimes in South and Central America, just let them burn out.

The issue back then is that the Soviets would have supported them financially and militarily.

Valmy

Quote from: crazy canuck on April 29, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 29, 2016, 01:21:06 PM
Sometimes I wonder if this is the path we should have taken in the Cold War.  Instead of fighting Marxist regimes in South and Central America, just let them burn out.

The issue back then is that the Soviets would have supported them financially and militarily.

So would have sped along our inevitable victory :hmm:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on April 29, 2016, 12:39:12 PM
I still like Ide's idea of a socialism where robots are serfs and every human is a noble. My personal Versailles will be covered with images of my own glory.
Be careful with that. If you happen to get a bigger house than Sanders, he might just jail you and confiscate it, like Louis XIV did.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on April 29, 2016, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 29, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 29, 2016, 01:21:06 PM
Sometimes I wonder if this is the path we should have taken in the Cold War.  Instead of fighting Marxist regimes in South and Central America, just let them burn out.

The issue back then is that the Soviets would have supported them financially and militarily.

So would have sped along our inevitable victory :hmm:
until they start planting missiles everywhere pointed at your country, drop paratroopers in your cities and have a ground invasion force from Mexico.  I've seen this scenario somewhere...
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Valmy

Quote from: viper37 on April 29, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
until they start planting missiles everywhere pointed at your country, drop paratroopers in your cities and have a ground invasion force from Mexico.  I've seen this scenario somewhere...

The Soviets were so incompetent I would have loved to see them try. In order to get the Russians to fight you have to invade them first.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

Quote from: crazy canuck on April 29, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 29, 2016, 01:21:06 PM
Sometimes I wonder if this is the path we should have taken in the Cold War.  Instead of fighting Marxist regimes in South and Central America, just let them burn out.

The issue back then is that the Soviets would have supported them financially and militarily.

We could draw the line at destabilizing or invading neighboring countries and Soviet military bases.  Of course, I know how the cold war ends, and the people making policy did not.  Still the Bush/Obama policy of pretty much ignoring Chavez has worked admirably.  The ideology is even more discredited, and the US maintained the moral high ground.  When the Reds are finally tossed out on their asses, the US should offer some aid to help them get on their feet.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on April 29, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 29, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
until they start planting missiles everywhere pointed at your country, drop paratroopers in your cities and have a ground invasion force from Mexico.  I've seen this scenario somewhere...

The Soviets were so incompetent I would have loved to see them try. In order to get the Russians to fight you have to invade them first.

Yeah, like when Finland invaded them in 1939.  Or when Afghanistan invaded them in 1979.  Plus Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall


Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2016, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 29, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 29, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
until they start planting missiles everywhere pointed at your country, drop paratroopers in your cities and have a ground invasion force from Mexico.  I've seen this scenario somewhere...

The Soviets were so incompetent I would have loved to see them try. In order to get the Russians to fight you have to invade them first.

Yeah, like when Finland invaded them in 1939.  Or when Afghanistan invaded them in 1979.  Plus Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

Um no they didn't. Which was why all four operations were pathetic. The Czechsoslovakia invasion in particular. It was designed to be a blitzkrieg...and instead it took months...and Czechoslovaks only resisted passively. You think those hilarious exhibitions in waste and incompetence means they could have done anything against us?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

Depends on your definition of the word "grammar".
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

MadImmortalMan

If the numbers for notes given in that Bloomberg article are accurate, then we're talking about tying up a significant portion of the printing capacity of the major companies that do that. At some point, they are going to have to dedicate plant time to other customers. Not just because they probably have contracts to fill and other countries don't want cash shortages, but because it's a risky business move to dedicate all your capacity to a single customer with a dubious outlook for paying you.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Monoriu

Sometimes the best way to kill an idea is to implement it.  If people were told that the idea doesn't work, they won't believe it until they actually see and experience themselves why it doesn't work.  Desperate and unhappy people are willing to try out anything that hasn't been tried before. 

grumbler

Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2016, 02:32:07 PM
Depends on your definition of the word "grammar".

Grammar can mean anything, depending on what grammar you are using.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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