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Started by Razgovory, April 07, 2016, 04:20:42 PM

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viper37

Quote from: Razgovory on April 07, 2016, 09:52:37 PM
I imagine being a monarchist in Canada doesn't automatically mean you are insane.
It just makes you Canadian.   :sleep:
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Martinus

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I don't think this is a consistent ideological movement - more like an attempt to shift the Orton Window by bringing back into the light topics that were only recently considered beyond the pale of the mainstream discourse. As a result, a lot of it is also trolling.

The Trump support is also easy to explain - because he is not ideologically consistent either. I think what unites Alt-Right is that they are all anti-political-correctness, are social libertarians (at least in the area of free speech) and have a sense of mischief - so it means you end up getting people who range from thought provoking to downright nasty.

It is more a social movement than a political one, imho, with the social status being determined mainly by how many people you can effectively trigger to clutch their pearls. It is also a clear reaction to the leftist domination of academia. The good part of alt-right, imo, is that it brings back the almost forgotten art of a healthy debate (especially as many alt-righters vehemently disagree with each other, but at least agree that there are no ideas that should be taboo and seem to love debating).

In other words, it is a lot like Languish or KAPland (especially in the early days), only in the real world.

MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Razgovory on April 07, 2016, 09:52:37 PMI've read a libertarian tract on why the US should have a monarchy,

You read junk like that but didn't realize there was an alt-right? Maybe you should broaden your news sources?  :P
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Martinus

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 08, 2016, 12:43:34 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 07, 2016, 09:52:37 PMI've read a libertarian tract on why the US should have a monarchy,

You read junk like that but didn't realize there was an alt-right? Maybe you should broaden your news sources?  :P

If Mother Jones doesn't write about it, it does not exist in Raz's world. :P

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Martinus on April 08, 2016, 12:44:52 AM
If Mother Jones doesn't write about it, it does not exist in Raz's world. :P

Eh, I've never heard him reference that place while he's mentioned reading things on Breitbart dozens of times.
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Martinus

There was actually an article by Milo explaining the Alt-Right on Breitbart fairly recently so it does not seem lime Raz reads it. :P

Eddie Teach

If he's like most Languish readers, his biggest single source of news is Slate articles reposted on Languish.  :D
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Lettow77

 Martinus paints a very flattering picture of alt-right, but not a very accurate one without way more moonman and misogyny.
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Martinus

Quote from: Lettow77 on April 08, 2016, 02:26:54 AM
Martinus paints a very flattering picture of alt-right, but not a very accurate one without way more moonman and misogyny.

Meowtf.

Eddie Teach

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Malthus

Quote from: Martinus on April 08, 2016, 12:28:23 AM
I don't think this is a consistent ideological movement - more like an attempt to shift the Orton Window by bringing back into the light topics that were only recently considered beyond the pale of the mainstream discourse. As a result, a lot of it is also trolling.

The Trump support is also easy to explain - because he is not ideologically consistent either. I think what unites Alt-Right is that they are all anti-political-correctness, are social libertarians (at least in the area of free speech) and have a sense of mischief - so it means you end up getting people who range from thought provoking to downright nasty.

It is more a social movement than a political one, imho, with the social status being determined mainly by how many people you can effectively trigger to clutch their pearls. It is also a clear reaction to the leftist domination of academia. The good part of alt-right, imo, is that it brings back the almost forgotten art of a healthy debate (especially as many alt-righters vehemently disagree with each other, but at least agree that there are no ideas that should be taboo and seem to love debating).

In other words, it is a lot like Languish or KAPland (especially in the early days), only in the real world.


Way I see it, political correctness, particularly on university campuses, is like chronic ass rash: irritating and lingering, but hardly a threat to one's life. The cure isn't to threaten to take a shotgun to one's own ass.  :P
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Malthus

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Legbiter

Quote from: Lettow77 on April 08, 2016, 02:26:54 AM
Martinus paints a very flattering picture of alt-right, but not a very accurate one without way more moonman and misogyny.

Watching the 17 year old 4chan edgelords use the National Review set as lolcows on Twitter is pretty great.  :lol:
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derspiess

Quote from: Barrister on April 07, 2016, 09:27:07 PM
For starters, Canadian Conservatives use the traditional conservative colour - blue. :contract:

Not our fault.  We had red forced upon us, probably by some lefty who was scared of people making the connection of Demoncrats to socialists/commies.
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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on April 08, 2016, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 07, 2016, 09:27:07 PM
For starters, Canadian Conservatives use the traditional conservative colour - blue. :contract:

Not our fault.  We had red forced upon us, probably by some lefty who was scared of people making the connection of Demoncrats to socialists/commies.

Man I miss those days :weep:
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