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Started by Eddie Teach, January 31, 2016, 05:47:52 AM

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Say you're at the Iowa Democratic caucus- who do you vote for?

Sanders
31 (46.3%)
Clinton
25 (37.3%)
Littlefinger
5 (7.5%)
Sanders, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
2 (3%)
Clinton, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
0 (0%)
Write in for Biden :(
1 (1.5%)
Write in for Trump :wacko:
3 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 66

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Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on March 08, 2016, 10:59:34 AM
Siege, have you been radicalized by another online forum?

Fixed.

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Quote from: Siege on March 08, 2016, 12:43:16 PM
Your mindless support for suicidal democrat policies have provoked a response from my brilliant and unresting mind.

Now hold on. I don't support the suicidal ones.
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Quote from: dps on March 07, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
I think that's the point that they are theoretically trying to make.  In practice, their point seems to be more, "I'm a better person than mothers who have their babies on the bottle, so instead of just discreetly feeding my child when it needs fed, I have to flaunt what I'm doing for everyone to see, because that way they'll also see how much of a better person I am".

So women breastfeeding in public are"flaunting how much better they are"? Sort of like how gay people holding hands in public are "flaunting their homosexuality"?

garbon

Quote from: Jacob on March 08, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: dps on March 07, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
I think that's the point that they are theoretically trying to make.  In practice, their point seems to be more, "I'm a better person than mothers who have their babies on the bottle, so instead of just discreetly feeding my child when it needs fed, I have to flaunt what I'm doing for everyone to see, because that way they'll also see how much of a better person I am".

So women breastfeeding in public are"flaunting how much better they are"? Sort of like how gay people holding hands in public are "flaunting their homosexuality"?

I don't think the people breastfeeding in public are in the least, but certainly some of the vibe I get from the breastfeeding activists in their online articles / social media posts.
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I think it is a fair complaint, and I think people flaunting their homosexuality is kind of annoying as well.

However, I also think that homophobia is a much bigger problem, and I assume that a good chunk of the people bitching about gay people flaunting their sexuality is really about them, not about the gay people. And since gay people have had to fight and struggle for their rights, I am happy to err on their side.

I do think that women should be free to breast feed in public. I also think that it is natural to view that as a somewhat intimate activity, that I would expect most women would want to engage in discretely, to the extent that is reasonable. If the circumstances are such that it isn't reasonable, oh well.

And if there are women who want to make a point of the fact that breastfeeding in public is fine, and want to do so in as an indiscrete manner as they can manage...shrug. Whatever. I can certainly appreciate the disdain though that people have for anyone who feels a need to draw attention to themselves, especially over something like this.

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LaCroix

public displays of affection aren't usually attempts to flaunt love. it's more that the people are really engrossed with one another. that's kinda what mothers are to their babies. they and their friends/family might care about the baby, but nobody else does except for the occasional baby lover. it's an annoyance to the rest, like public displays of affection, because it's awkward and/or gross.

grumbler

Quote from: LaCroix on March 08, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
public displays of affection aren't usually attempts to flaunt love. it's more that the people are really engrossed with one another. that's kinda what mothers are to their babies. they and their friends/family might care about the baby, but nobody else does except for the occasional baby lover. it's an annoyance to the rest, like public displays of affection, because it's awkward and/or gross.

Wow.  The community you live in is certainly far different than the one I live in.
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LaCroix

Quote from: grumbler on March 08, 2016, 04:17:25 PMWow.  The community you live in is certainly far different than the one I live in.

by occasional baby lover, I'm referring to something similar to dog lovers who are strangers to a dog owner. the strangers who actually come up to see the baby and interact with the parents.

dps

Quote from: Jacob on March 08, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: dps on March 07, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
I think that's the point that they are theoretically trying to make.  In practice, their point seems to be more, "I'm a better person than mothers who have their babies on the bottle, so instead of just discreetly feeding my child when it needs fed, I have to flaunt what I'm doing for everyone to see, because that way they'll also see how much of a better person I am".

So women breastfeeding in public are"flaunting how much better they are"? Sort of like how gay people holding hands in public are "flaunting their homosexuality"?

I wasn't talking about women who breastfeed in public.  I was talking about the ones who deliberately draw attention to the fact that they are breastfeeding in public--which, admittedly is only a small group.  But they were the group we were discussing.

Jacob

Quote from: LaCroix on March 08, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
public displays of affection aren't usually attempts to flaunt love. it's more that the people are really engrossed with one another. that's kinda what mothers are to their babies. they and their friends/family might care about the baby, but nobody else does except for the occasional baby lover. it's an annoyance to the rest, like public displays of affection, because it's awkward and/or gross.

Are you some sort of alien?

LaCroix

Quote from: Jacob on March 08, 2016, 05:51:29 PMAre you some sort of alien?

no, I personally don't babies and am OK with public breastfeeding. but I'm also OK with public displays of affection. I can understand why people wouldn't like seeing that kinda stuff, though.

Jacob

Quote from: LaCroix on March 08, 2016, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 08, 2016, 05:51:29 PMAre you some sort of alien?

no, I personally don't babies and am OK with public breastfeeding. but I'm also OK with public displays of affection. I can understand why people wouldn't like seeing that kinda stuff, though.

You don't personally babies? I see...

LaCroix