Hillary vs Bernie

[Siege]

I am chocked so many Americans consider socialism to be viable option.
What gives?
Isn't ironic winning the Cold War and then adopting the loser's ideology?

I mean seriously, what is going on here?

[Razgovory]

I am chocked so many Americans consider socialism to be viable option.
What gives?
Isn't ironic winning the Cold War and then adopting the loser's ideology?

I mean seriously, what is going on here?

Nobody is suggesting we adopt Marxism.

[Eddie Teach]

Siege's cold war was fought against Sweden & Israel.

[Razgovory]

His father shot up the USS Liberty.

[Valmy]

I am chocked so many Americans consider socialism to be viable option.
What gives?
Isn't ironic winning the Cold War and then adopting the loser's ideology?

I mean seriously, what is going on here?

They are upset with how the establishment has been running things and want people to smash the system. Besides it is not like they are voting for a Maoist or a Marxist-Leninist. Just a guy who thinks instead of 2% welfare there should be 4% welfare. Hardly a revolution.

[Monoriu]

I am chocked so many Americans consider socialism to be viable option.
What gives?
Isn't ironic winning the Cold War and then adopting the loser's ideology?

I mean seriously, what is going on here?

I hate socialism myself but unfortunately there will always be an element of socialism in modern societies.  If you think about it, things like fire and police services are both socialism, strictly speaking and they work very well.  So is national defence.  Trying to privatise those is insane.  I'll even go further and say health service should largely be a public service as well.  The alternative is what the US has right now, and that is an inefficient mess that is the worst of both worlds. 

The whole socialism / capitalism thing is a wide spectrum, and everybody has elements of both.  I strongly dislike guys like Bernie Sanders, but I don't think he is advocating adoption of communism.  Plus, he seems much more reasonable than people like Ben Carson, who is like in lalaland. 

[alfred russel]

Sanders is gonna stay in as long as he has the money to do so.

If he gets 25% or more of the pledged delegates, he can make all sorts of demands with regard to the platform, and the closer he gets to 50% the more demands he can make.

Hell, Ron Paul got all sorts of ridiculous shit passed in 2012 and he only had like 10% of the delegates.

Who cares about the platform?

I think Sanders needed to win Nevada. He is facing annihilation in the next couple of weeks.

[Razgovory]

It's amusing that the two socialism haters live off the government dime.

[Monoriu]

It's amusing that the two socialism haters live off the government dime.

Why?  I have always maintained that I am a failure.

[The Minsky Moment]

I am chocked so many Americans consider socialism to be viable option.
What gives?
Isn't ironic winning the Cold War and then adopting the loser's ideology?

I mean seriously, what is going on here?

I agree Siege, it is pretty messed up.

Still - don't despair yet.  There is still a chance Trump doesn't get the nomination.

[DGuller]

It's amusing that the two socialism haters live off the government dime.

Why?  I have always maintained that I am a failure.

I think he meant Hans and Siege.

[jimmy olsen]

Sanders is gonna stay in as long as he has the money to do so.

If he gets 25% or more of the pledged delegates, he can make all sorts of demands with regard to the platform, and the closer he gets to 50% the more demands he can make.

Hell, Ron Paul got all sorts of ridiculous shit passed in 2012 and he only had like 10% of the delegates.

Who cares about the platform?

I think Sanders needed to win Nevada. He is facing annihilation in the next couple of weeks.

Politicians care.

The higher the % over 25 that he can get the more he can demand, such as who gets certain cabinet positions, even who VP will be.

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9807.msg951851.html#msg951851

[crazy canuck]

I am chocked so many Americans consider socialism to be viable option.
What gives?
Isn't ironic winning the Cold War and then adopting the loser's ideology?

I mean seriously, what is going on here?

I agree Siege, it is pretty messed up.

Still - don't despair yet.  There is still a chance Trump doesn't get the nomination.

I wonder if Siege considers the irony of adopting the loser's ideology from WWII

[Martinus]

Sanders is gonna stay in as long as he has the money to do so.

If he gets 25% or more of the pledged delegates, he can make all sorts of demands with regard to the platform, and the closer he gets to 50% the more demands he can make.

Hell, Ron Paul got all sorts of ridiculous shit passed in 2012 and he only had like 10% of the delegates.

Who cares about the platform?

I think Sanders needed to win Nevada. He is facing annihilation in the next couple of weeks.

Wha? He tied with Hillary in Iowa, won NH and lost Nevada. How's that "annihilation"? 

[Monoriu]

Wha? He tied with Hillary in Iowa, won NH and lost Nevada. How's that "annihilation"? 

Correct me if I am wrong, but my reading is that Sanders need to convince the general electorate that he is a viable alternative.  He is expected to win NH, so him winning it doesn't really help.  He needs to win the other two to better establish his viability, yet he failed to do so.  The upcoming states have demographics that are against him, so he will only go downhill from here. 

Or at least, that's how I hope the destruction of Sanders will play out.