Hillary vs Bernie

[Capetan Mihali]

But I doubt he'll stop until the bitter end...and then the Convention will be interesting to see.  As well as how many voters (like me) who would've voted for Sanders but will either submit a write-in ballot or not vote at all in November.

[Josquius]

But I doubt he'll stop until the bitter end...and then the Convention will be interesting to see.  As well as how many voters (like me) who would've voted for Sanders but will either submit a write-in ballot or not vote at all in November.

I've heard a few people say this.
Even as much as sanders would have been good for America (for the world though I'm unsure. All this talk of bringing jobs back to America..... fine when a small country says that sort of thing but when it's the country controlling so much of the global economy?) I think being able to have a little protest for him has to be a secondary priority to avoiding trump.
As naff as hilary is you can be sure with her it will be business as usual. Which. Isn't actually THAT bad

[CountDeMoney]

As well as how many voters (like me) who would've voted for Sanders but will either submit a write-in ballot or not vote at all in November.

Ass.

[Tamas]

When you don't vote, you are in fact supporting the candidate with the most determined and fanatical group of supporters.

So, Mihali will be voting on Trump, it seems.

[Eddie Teach]

When you don't vote, you are in fact supporting the candidate with the most determined and fanatical group of supporters.

So a vote not cast is a vote for Manson? 

[garbon]

As well as how many voters (like me) who would've voted for Sanders but will either submit a write-in ballot or not vote at all in November.

Ass.

This is also why I'm so upset that we're continuing to have the Bern drift along. He's already pushed Hillary to the left, now time to bow out as the next few months will only continue strife and lead to more Bern supporters adopting Mihali's juvenile* stance.

*and really it is as not voting/protesting voting in the two party system we have only serves to help the Republicans who are certainly much farther away policy-wise than Hillary is to Bernie.

[Martinus]

True.  So then we can agree she didn't bother to think through the implications, right?

Dude you are cute. Hillary does not actually support doing that, should would never do such a radical un-Clinton thing in a million years. It is all bullshit for the leftists in this election. The woman is a corrupt political animal.

The same kind of non-committal rhetorics coming from Trump is enough of an evidence he is a fascist so I am not sure why it is a different standard for Hillary. Is it because she is a woman and women usually do not think through their stances? 

[Martinus]

But I doubt he'll stop until the bitter end...and then the Convention will be interesting to see.  As well as how many voters (like me) who would've voted for Sanders but will either submit a write-in ballot or not vote at all in November.

This is the part I don't really get from your part of the left (the one that is pro-Sanders and vehemently anti-Trump). Sure, I have no problem with you preferring Sanders over Clinton. But if Trump is the evil incarnate and a racist fascist you claim him to be, surely one should hold their nose and vote for Clinton, right? That is the only moral stance to take - potentially contributing to a fascist victory because the counter-candidate is not ideologically pure enough is deeply unethical.

[Razgovory]

I said she favored it.  Her words were that the Australian system was "worth looking at".  In politician speak, that means she favors it.

In political speak it means "I'm not actually going to do anything".

[Eddie Teach]

I said she favored it.  Her words were that the Australian system was "worth looking at".  In politician speak, that means she favors it.

In political speak it means "I'm not actually going to do anything".

Not really, that is an underlying truth that does not depend upon the language used, as it is rarely explicitly stated.

[CountDeMoney]

This is also why I'm so upset that we're continuing to have the Bern drift along. He's already pushed Hillary to the left, now time to bow out as the next few months will only continue strife and lead to more Bern supporters adopting Mihali's juvenile* stance.

*and really it is as not voting/protesting voting in the two party system we have only serves to help the Republicans who are certainly much farther away policy-wise than Hillary is to Bernie.

You would have thought people learned their fucking lesson in 2000.  Not voting out of principle is a shitty fucking principle.

Quite frankly, and I don't care how melodramatic people think it sounds, but far too many Americans have died and far more people on this planet die every day over the right to vote.  I don't care if it's a vote for dog catcher or chancery judge, or even if it's as trivial a matter as making sure your vote cancels out Yi's, fucking vote.

[Capetan Mihali]

As well as how many voters (like me) who would've voted for Sanders but will either submit a write-in ballot or not vote at all in November.

Ass.

You go ahead and vote for President Goldman and Vice-President Sachs.  I'm done.

[derspiess]

Boom.

[Capetan Mihali]

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Even as much as sanders would have been good for America (for the world though I'm unsure. All this talk of bringing jobs back to America..... fine when a small country says that sort of thing but when it's the country controlling so much of the global economy?)

You sure you haven't turned into a gnome of Zurich, your Swiss neoliberalism is shining through.  And I *never* make fun of you for this, but what's good for the British coal-mine goose isn't good for the American steel-mill gander?

And yes, business as usual really is that bad, just not for you or me because we're extraordinarily lucky.

[Capetan Mihali]

As well as how many voters (like me) who would've voted for Sanders but will either submit a write-in ballot or not vote at all in November.

Ass.

This is also why I'm so upset that we're continuing to have the Bern drift along. He's already pushed Hillary to the left, now time to bow out as the next few months will only continue strife and lead to more Bern supporters adopting Mihali's juvenile* stance.

*and really it is as not voting/protesting voting in the two party system we have only serves to help the Republicans who are certainly much farther away policy-wise than Hillary is to Bernie.

  So juvenile to think that just because I've voted for 95% (D) candidates in the past, a Presidential candidate -- even from the Democratic Party! -- has to earn my vote rather than just expect it?  What's juvenile is refusing to believe we can ever have anything better than "the better of two evils" and smearing anyone who is foolish enough to vote their conscience, like a mere child shaking his rattle. 

Of course we can never have perfect candidates; but at a certain point the things that make the candidates "evil" are pretty specific and pretty obvious, e.g. campaign contributions from the finance sector, not vague or petty distastes like "not sure we see eye-to-eye on the environment..." or "wears suits a size too big."

EDIT:  Nevermind, wasn't a fair reading of your words.