Hillary vs Bernie

[Eddie Teach]

[Norgy]

 

[Siege]

I can't believe people still believe in socialism.
Why do they want the small folk be even poorer and have less to consume?

[Siege]

 Ludwig Von Mises wrote in 1947:

" The characteristic mark of this age of dictators, wars and revolutions is its anti-capitalistic bias. Most governments and political parties are eager to restrict the sphere of private initiative and free enterprise. It is an almost unchallenged dogma that capitalism is done for and that the coming of all-round regimentation of economic activities is both inescapable and highly desirable.
E.2
None the less capitalism is still very vigorous in the Western Hemisphere. Capitalist production has made very remarkable progress even in these last years. Methods of production were greatly improved. Consumers have been supplied with better and cheaper goods and with many new articles unheard of a short time ago. Many countries have expanded the size and improved the quality of their manufacturing. In spite of the anti-capitalistic policies of all governments and of almost all political parties, the capitalist mode of production is in many countries still fulfilling its social function in supplying the consumers with more, better and cheaper goods.
E.3
It is certainly not a merit of governments, politicians and labour union officers that the standard of living is improving in the countries committed to the principle of private ownership of the means of production. Not offices and bureaucrats, but big business deserves credit for the fact that most of the families in the United States own a motor car and a radio set. The increase in per capita consumption in America as compared with conditions a quarter of a century ago is not an achievement of laws and executive orders. It is an accomplishment of business men who enlarged the size of their factories or built new ones.
E.4
One must stress this point because our contemporaries are inclined to ignore it. Entangled in the superstitions of statism and government omnipotence, they are exclusively preoccupied with governmental measures. They expect everything from authoritarian action and very little from the initiative of enterprising citizens. Yet, the only means to increase well-being is to increase the quantity of products. This is what business aims at.
E.5
It is grotesque that there is much more talk about the achievements of the Tennessee Valley Authority than about all the unprecedented and unparalleled achievements of American privately operated processing industries. However, it was only the latter which enabled the United Nations to win the war and today enables the United States to come to the aid of the Marshall Plan countries.
E.6
The dogma that the State or the Government is the embodiment of all that is good and beneficial and that the individuals are wretched underlings, exclusively intent upon inflicting harm upon one another and badly in need of a guardian, is almost unchallenged. It is taboo to question it in the slightest way. He who proclaims the godliness of the State and the infallibility of its priests, the bureaucrats, is considered as an impartial student of the social sciences. All those raising objections are branded as biased and narrow-minded. The supporters of the new religion of statolatry are no less fanatical and intolerant than were the Mohammedan conquerors of Africa and Spain.
E.7
History will call our age the age of the dictators and tyrants. We have witnessed in the last years the fall of two of these inflated supermen. But the spirit which raised these knaves to autocratic power survives. It permeates textbooks and periodicals, it speaks through the mouths of teachers and politicians, it manifests itself in party programmes and in plays and novels. As long as this spirit prevails there cannot be any hope of durable peace, of democracy, of the preservation of freedom or of a steady improvement in the nation's economic well-being."

[Valmy]

I can't believe people still believe in socialism.
Why do they want the small folk be even poorer and have less to consume?

Well I don't think the socialists really believe in socialism anymore. It is just the tiresome debate of whether taxes should be 5% or 6% or welfare should be one amount per month or another amount per month.

We already have the government helping out with college education, Bernie just wants to do so a bit more. Hardly a new economic system.

Of course I don't think we can afford to do any of those things, so I oppose him.  But I don't think Capitalism is in danger. Even in European nations where it is a dirty word it still is the only system.

[Siege]

Well, they both want to take my guns.
Hell, but hell no.
You want my guns, come and take them.

[viper37]

is this the girl that got shot by her 4 year old son last week?

Also, could you explain to me how the Federal government is going to take your guns?

[Valmy]

Well, they both want to take my guns.

Not even the most radical gun control laws passed back when they enjoyed popular support actually involved confiscation. Buy back programs sometimes sure. They would, at best, be fighting to prevent criminals with a history of mental illness and gun violence from buying guns....very easily. I think you are safe.

[Martinus]

Uhm, Siegy has mental illness and a history of gun violence...

[Capetan Mihali]

And substance abuse.  Albeit with Miller Lite.

[Norgy]

And substance abuse.  Albeit with Miller Lite.

Is that even a substance?
It seems so... insubstantial.

[Capetan Mihali]

And substance abuse.  Albeit with Miller Lite.

Is that even a substance?
It seems so... insubstantial.

If it'll bloat, it'll float. 

I drank the entirety of a twelve-pack of Miller Lite (12 x 355ml cans) over the course of a Raymond Chandler novel once, during some dark days, seven or eight years ago.  Many bathroom breaks included.  The point was 25% to test out light beer and 75% to get drunk, of course.

4% ABV is something like 5% ABW, so it's still stronger ethanol-wise than a lot of good English pale ale or stout.

[Norgy]

When I was drinking, I drank pilsner and whiskey. Good for getting blotto quickly and falling asleep in an ashtray.

[derspiess]

is this the girl that got shot by her 4 year old son last week?

Also, could you explain to me how the Federal government is going to take your guns?

Hillary has hinted that she wants to follow the Australian model of confiscation.

[derspiess]

When I was drinking, I drank pilsner and whiskey. Good for getting blotto quickly and falling asleep in an ashtray.

I drink pilsner when I'm trying to not get drunk.  Yet somehow only strong ABV beers make it into my fridge somehow.  As much as I love whiskey I usually get heartburn these days before I have enough to get me drunk