Terrorist insurrection against the US Government? OK as long as you're white

Started by CountDeMoney, January 03, 2016, 12:01:42 PM

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garbon

Quote from: grumbler on January 27, 2016, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 27, 2016, 03:38:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 03:35:22 PM
True the FBI has just been doing a great job at compiling counts of citizens killed by police at a figure way lower than the reality on the ground.

Again what is your complaint here? That you want black terrorists treated more carefully or for the Feds to be more aggressive with these militiamen instead of trying to find a way that avoids bloodshed?

This is garbo.  What makes you think that this time he is bitching about an actual complaint?  For instance, he'll bitch about FBI statistics on citizens killed by police without ever noting that compiling such a list isn't the FBI's job and local law enforcement isn't required to report these cases to the FBI.  Facts don't matter when it comes to garbo bitching.

And yet the FBI announced a plan to overhaul their database of such records saying it was embarrassing and unacceptable that news outlets had better records.
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grumbler

Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
And yet the FBI announced a plan to overhaul their database of such records saying it was embarrassing and unacceptable that news outlets had better records.

And yet the database will still be inaccurate because local law enforcement reporting will still be voluntary.  And you will still complain and blame  the FBI.
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 27, 2016, 02:04:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
You get a lot more time to fuck around.

The MOVE group you talked about earlier was involved in a year-long standoff with police in 1978 and the 1985 action was after 4 years of complaints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Hmm I don't think MOVE is the best example of reasonable use of force . . .
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Razgovory

Quote from: Jacob on January 27, 2016, 03:11:47 PM
Seems like some of the insurrectionists are getting worked up: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/berserk-militant-promises-bloodbath-as-feds-move-in-this-is-a-free-for-all-armageddon/

QuoteA live video feed from the DefendYourBase YouTube channel, showed several militants operating a large excavator. At least one of the militants was dressed in military-style gear and carrying a rifle.

"The media has been ordered to leave, and that means they are coming to kill us and they don't want them to see that!" the man yelled into the camera. "They're going to murder all of us and the media are cowards."

"The media has been waiting for a bloodbath this whole time we've been here!" he exclaimed. "Now, there's going to be one and they're told to run? Because the feds don't want them to know who is murdering us!"

Continuing to shout into the camera, the militia member called for the American people to join his cause: "Right now, it is on!"

"What you going to do when the militia comes after you, FBI?" a second militant added.

"Get here, get some," the first militant said, pleading for volunteers with military training. "This is history in the making."

"There are no laws in this United States now!" the man insisted. "This is a free-for-all Armageddon. Any LEO or military or law enforcement or feds that stand up and f*ck their oath — don't abide by their oath — are the enemy!"

"If they stop you from getting here, kill them!"

Video: https://youtu.be/tuZQW28qFkQ

That sounds like an incitement of violence.
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2016, 07:14:54 PM
Hmm I don't think MOVE is the best example of reasonable use of force . . .

That was pretty much the point.  The article in the OP said there is a double standard in handling of armed confrontations depending on whether the people are white or black.

Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on January 27, 2016, 07:21:28 PM

That sounds like an incitement of violence.

Pretty much. Come join in the fun of killing public servants!
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2016, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 27, 2016, 02:04:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
You get a lot more time to fuck around.

The MOVE group you talked about earlier was involved in a year-long standoff with police in 1978 and the 1985 action was after 4 years of complaints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Hmm I don't think MOVE is the best example of reasonable use of force . . .

It wasn't. It was an example of the police dragging their heels before deciding on a course. It was a response to the post I quoted, not to everything garbon has said in the thread.
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2016, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 27, 2016, 02:04:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
You get a lot more time to fuck around.

The MOVE group you talked about earlier was involved in a year-long standoff with police in 1978 and the 1985 action was after 4 years of complaints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Hmm I don't think MOVE is the best example of reasonable use of force . . .
You think dropping bombs from a helicopter was inappropriate? :o
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Tonitrus

Quote from: Caliga on January 27, 2016, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2016, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 27, 2016, 02:04:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
You get a lot more time to fuck around.

The MOVE group you talked about earlier was involved in a year-long standoff with police in 1978 and the 1985 action was after 4 years of complaints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Hmm I don't think MOVE is the best example of reasonable use of force . . .
You think dropping bombs from a helicopter was inappropriate? :o

I think it is.

Bombs should be dropped by bombers, dammit...preferably strategic bombers.  :mad:

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Razgovory

Quote from: Tonitrus on January 27, 2016, 08:48:29 PM

I think it is.

Bombs should be dropped by bombers, dammit...preferably strategic bombers.  :mad:

Yeah, but would meaning involving the air force.  They'd be lucky if the bomb didn't fall in Ohio.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ed Anger

Quote from: Razgovory on January 27, 2016, 09:27:27 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 27, 2016, 08:48:29 PM

I think it is.

Bombs should be dropped by bombers, dammit...preferably strategic bombers.  :mad:

Yeah, but would meaning involving the air force.  They'd be lucky if the bomb didn't fall in Ohio.

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Tonitrus

The top middle dude?  Looks like the camera got him right in the middle of one of those face-twisting, deep nasal inhalations.

11B4V

That's a "Well suit" look.

They will occupy another federal facility.
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"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".