The Polemics of Donald Trump

[dps]

If Obama is a liberal, then he's certainly not the same kind of liberal that Kennedy was.

I have trouble seeing any modern Democrat saying, sincerely, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".  While I have some reservations about Kennedy's statement, modern liberalism is mostly about the government doing for people what they should be doing for themselves--or even worse, doing what should not be done at all.

At any rate, the article is crap.  While I think that there are social/economic/political problems that have been caused or exacerbated by liberal policies, and I agree that liberals have, to a large extent, controlled the terms of debate on public issues, I hardly find Trump a good example of someone who will tell the truth in the face of liberal untruths.  And beyond that, simply calling out the liberals on their BS isn't enough;  you also have to put forward a set of different policies you believe in to counter liberal policies.  And those different policies have to be good policies, not banning Moslems from entering the country.

[Valmy]

I have trouble seeing any modern Democrat saying, sincerely, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".  While I have some reservations about Kennedy's statement, modern liberalism is mostly about the government doing for people what they should be doing for themselves--or even worse, doing what should not be done at all.

Oh so FDR and Kennedy and LBJ were all about not having the government do anything for anybody? Bizarre take there.

[dps]

I have trouble seeing any modern Democrat saying, sincerely, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".  While I have some reservations about Kennedy's statement, modern liberalism is mostly about the government doing for people what they should be doing for themselves--or even worse, doing what should not be done at all.

Oh so FDR and Kennedy and LBJ were all about not having the government do anything for anybody? Bizarre take there.

There's a difference between the government not doing for people what people should be doing for themselves, and the government not doing anything for anybody.

Of course, reasonable people can disagree about what counts as things people should be doing for themselves and what doesn't.  Indeed, FDR, JFK, and LBJ would probably not be entirely in agreement with each other about exactly where that line should be drawn.

[The Brain]

FDR provided government housing for Japanese-Americans. That's too liberal for me.

[Valmy]

FDR provided government housing for Japanese-Americans. That's too liberal for me.

[Valmy]

There's a difference between the government not doing for people what people should be doing for themselves, and the government not doing anything for anybody.

Of course, reasonable people can disagree about what counts as things people should be doing for themselves and what doesn't.  Indeed, FDR, JFK, and LBJ would probably not be entirely in agreement with each other about exactly where that line should be drawn.

True. But what big program have modern liberals put into place? I guess Obamacare. But you seem to think it is much more widespread than that. I mean there is Bernie Sanders I guess.

[Admiral Yi]

I can't think of any significant new spending program that Kennedy created.  Probably his most significant domestic policy was cutting wartime tax rates.

[DGuller]

FDR provided government housing for Japanese-Americans. That's too liberal for me.

[MadImmortalMan]

True. But what big program have modern liberals put into place? I guess Obamacare. But you seem to think it is much more widespread than that. I mean there is Bernie Sanders I guess.

The second biggest was the Medicare part D that GW Bush did. 

I know it sounds weird to Europeans to call any of these people liberals though.

[Syt]

What's with the sock puppet dude?

He thinks it's a game.


He wants to get high as the sky
he's kissin' his life goodbye
he think it's a game that he play
but the winners lose it all someday.

[Ender]

  "Bath of steel."

What's with the sock puppet dude?

I forgot my email and password.

[Razgovory]

What were liberals challenging 50 years ago?

I'm guessing that's a reference to Vietnam and, more generally, the counter culture.

I'm not sure what that has to do with "our cities" and "immigration".  It's hard to see a connection.  Maybe there is some sort of radical legal changes in the middle 1960's that culminated in some sort perceived disaster in the executive office (the only one control by a liberal) today.  I'm just wondering what it could possibly be.

[Norgy]

I can't think of any significant new spending program that Kennedy created.  Probably his most significant domestic policy was cutting wartime tax rates.

What about the Apollo program, or was that already in place?

[Razgovory]

Well there was also the Peace Corps.  Also there was a whole bunch of stuff under the "New Frontier" initiates.

[crazy canuck]

Why is this? Because liberalism is not built on the world the way that it is, but the way liberals think it should be. This is why all their programs fail, and all their "facts" are wrong, and this is why liberals go around looking as if they have just bitten down on a lemon. They are constantly being insulted by, being surprised by, being taken aback by...reality. They build papier-mâché worlds, but the truth keeps crashing through their walls.

I suppose if people accept this as factual then they will also think Trump would make a good president.  Both mean that the liberal goal of a well educated society has indeed failed.