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[Zoupa]

As he was a far right wing fascist sympathizer he was probably just following his heart. But come on, he could have done something truly stupid and entered the war on the Germans side.

The real dupes was our government who thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French. Yeah Darlan is totally who we should be working with. At least Petain had the excuse of being an octogenarian fascist. What was our excuse?

Petain was willing to enter the war n the Germans' side, but they didn't want that (they just wanted the use of French ports in Africa to supply the Afrika Korps, which they got). 

I have no idea why you believe that the US government "thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French."  I've read a lot about this war and the French role in it, and never saw any indication that what you claim was true.  Care to provide some sources?

The US definitely saw Vichy France as the legitimate government of France for way, way , wayyyyy too long. I'm not sure what your point is.

[grumbler]

As he was a far right wing fascist sympathizer he was probably just following his heart. But come on, he could have done something truly stupid and entered the war on the Germans side.

The real dupes was our government who thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French. Yeah Darlan is totally who we should be working with. At least Petain had the excuse of being an octogenarian fascist. What was our excuse?

Petain was willing to enter the war n the Germans' side, but they didn't want that (they just wanted the use of French ports in Africa to supply the Afrika Korps, which they got). 

I have no idea why you believe that the US government "thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French."  I've read a lot about this war and the French role in it, and never saw any indication that what you claim was true.  Care to provide some sources?

The US definitely saw Vichy France as the legitimate government of France for way, way , wayyyyy too long. I'm not sure what your point is.

The US, UK, Canada, Australia, the USSR, etc (and French historians, like Laurent Joly) definitely saw Vichy France as the successor state to Republican France because it was, so I'm not sure what your point is.  Did Canada "definitely [see] Vichy France as the legitimate government of France for way, way , wayyyyy too long" as well, or was it just the evol United States that did that and Canada was merely being a glowing ball of light?

My point was simply what i stated.  In case you just could not, for some reason, read the text of mine that you quoted, I will repeat it, using larger text size:

I have no idea why you believe that the US government "thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French."  I've read a lot about this war and the French role in it, and never saw any indication that what you claim was true.  Care to provide some sources?

There's never been any indication that I have seen that the US government thought Vichy was less authoritarian than the Free French.  It publicly opposed many of the Vichy government's policies, but maintained diplomatic relations so as to encourage the Vichy government to resist German attempts to compel Vichy to act more pre-Nazi than the armistice terms required.

[Eddie Teach]

Wtf are they talking about?

[Josquius]

I want to know about vichy. Were they recognised?

[Jacob]

I want to know about vichy. Were they recognised?

According to that fount of basic facts, wikipedia:

The United States granted Vichy full diplomatic recognition, sending Admiral William D. Leahy to France as ambassador. President Roosevelt and Secretary of State Cordell Hull hoped to use American influence to encourage those elements in the Vichy government opposed to military collaboration with Germany. The Americans also hoped to encourage Vichy to resist German war demands, such as for the fleet, air bases in French-mandated Syria or to move war supplies through French territories in North Africa. The essential American position was that France should take no action not explicitly required by the armistice terms that could adversely affect Allied efforts in the war. The Americans ended relations when Germany occupied all of France in late 1942.[6]

The American position towards Vichy France and de Gaulle was especially hesitant and inconsistent. Roosevelt disliked Charles de Gaulle, and agreed with Ambassador Leahy's view that he was an "apprentice dictator."[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Vichy_France

[Zoupa]

As he was a far right wing fascist sympathizer he was probably just following his heart. But come on, he could have done something truly stupid and entered the war on the Germans side.

The real dupes was our government who thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French. Yeah Darlan is totally who we should be working with. At least Petain had the excuse of being an octogenarian fascist. What was our excuse?

Petain was willing to enter the war n the Germans' side, but they didn't want that (they just wanted the use of French ports in Africa to supply the Afrika Korps, which they got). 

I have no idea why you believe that the US government "thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French."  I've read a lot about this war and the French role in it, and never saw any indication that what you claim was true.  Care to provide some sources?

The US definitely saw Vichy France as the legitimate government of France for way, way , wayyyyy too long. I'm not sure what your point is.

The US, UK, Canada, Australia, the USSR, etc (and French historians, like Laurent Joly) definitely saw Vichy France as the successor state to Republican France because it was, so I'm not sure what your point is.  Did Canada "definitely [see] Vichy France as the legitimate government of France for way, way , wayyyyy too long" as well, or was it just the evol United States that did that and Canada was merely being a glowing ball of light?

My point was simply what i stated.  In case you just could not, for some reason, read the text of mine that you quoted, I will repeat it, using larger text size:

I have no idea why you believe that the US government "thought Vichy was less authoritarian and more legitimate than the Free French."  I've read a lot about this war and the French role in it, and never saw any indication that what you claim was true.  Care to provide some sources?

There's never been any indication that I have seen that the US government thought Vichy was less authoritarian than the Free French.  It publicly opposed many of the Vichy government's policies, but maintained diplomatic relations so as to encourage the Vichy government to resist German attempts to compel Vichy to act more pre-Nazi than the armistice terms required.

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[Syt]

[Valmy]

What is so dangerous?

[Tamas]

What is so dangerous?

I think what is implied is since you can't see from the back if the driver is black, no black driver has ever been stopped because they were black.

[grumbler]

What is so dangerous?

I think what is implied is since you can't see from the back if the driver is black, no black driver has ever been stopped because they were black.

Look at the image above the one with the cars.

[Syt]

What is so dangerous?

I think this is in reference to having a door knocking campaign to raise awareness about Covid vaccines. "It" being Covid-19.

[Admiral Yi]

No Lauren, that's not all I need to know about the Arizona audit, and that's the difference between us.

[The Minsky Moment]

Was it an audit or a movie?

[Valmy]

I am just surprised the only coverage of the Arizona Audit was a single video on Youtube.

[Syt]

https://www.wnd.com/2021/07/stunning-report-vote-recount-1-county-60-error-rate/

Stunning report: Vote recount in 1 county had 60% error rate

Results part of lawsuit over allegations of 2020 presidential election fraud

By Bob Unruh
Published July 14, 2021 at 8:35pm


There were 100 lawsuits over the vote count for the 2020 presidential election, and essentially none was considered on merits as court after court cited technicalities in letting stand the suspicious results of Joe Biden's victory.

But now investigations and audits may be showing what actually happened, and whether, in fact, Biden was elected.

The Gateway Pundit has posted an announcement from VoterGA which is charging that evidence "from public records" has revealed Fulton County's hand count audit was "riddled with massive errors and provable fraud."

The allegations arise from VoterGA's review of images of mail-in ballots that a judge ordered the county to make available.

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"The team's analysis revealed that 923 of 1439 mail-in ballot batch files contained votes incorrectly reported in Fulton's official November 3rd 2020 results," the report said. "These inaccuracies are due to discrepancies in votes for Donald Trump, Joe Biden and total votes cast compared to their reported audit totals for respective batches. Thus, the error reporting rate in Fulton's hand count audit is a whopping 60%."

Such discrepancies are significant, as Biden's victory is based on victories in six swing states, including Georgia. And in those swing states, Biden's margin of victory numbered in the few thousands.

VoterGA reported, "One type of error discovered involved duplicate results reporting for batches of ballots. The team found at least 36 batches of mail-in ballots with 4,255 total extra votes were redundantly added into Fulton Co. audit results for the November election. These illicit votes include 3,390 extra votes for Joe Biden, 865 extra votes for Donald Trump and 43 extra votes for Jo Jorgenson."

Then, too, the team "found 7 falsified audit tall sheets containing fabricated vote totals for their respective batches. For example, a batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden, 42 for Donald Trump and 1 for Joe Jorgenson was reported as 100 for Biden and 0 for Trump."

And VoterGA explained the county still has declined to provide drop box transfer forms for thousands of ballots that provide chain of custody proof.

The organization said it is using the new information in an amended complaint that targets fraud in the 2020 election results.

The Gateway Pundit noted President Trump's reaction: "The news coming out of Georgia is beyond incredible. The hand recount in Fulton County was a total fraud! They stuffed the ballot box—and got caught. We will lose our country if this is allowed to stand."