Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

Started by Syt, December 06, 2015, 01:55:02 PM

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alfred russel

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 29, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
It's a bit bizarre to argue now that the US should have pushed harder on mask usage in March when: (1) we know pretty conclusively now that many Americans refuse to wear them and (2) there weren't enough at the time for universal usage.

You are nuts. I'm bombarded with messages to wear masks, and while I see many people ignoring those messages, but dramatically more people wearing masks than in March. Usage would have gone way up in March if people were clearly told to wear masks.

Plenty of people are wearing homemade masks, and there were enough for less than universal coverage.

Bottom line is that earlier and clearer communication to wear masks would have increased usage, and slowed disease spread.
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DGuller

Speaking of homemade masks, is it time now to say that used underwear on your face doesn't count as a mask, please use a surgical mask?  I think we have plenty of surgical masks available by now, there are enough for everyone.

grumbler

Fauci said, in that March 9th interview that Lyin' Marco harped on that:
QuoteFAUCI: Of course, but when you think "masks," you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people — when you look at the films of countries, and you see 85% of the people wearing masks, that's fine. That's fine. I'm not against it. If you want to do it, that's fine.

HOST: But it can lead to a shortage.

FAUCI: Exactly, that's the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/28/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-anthony-fauci-lied-about-masks-fa/

Idiots seem to think "he deliberately was.... slightly less than truthful and then admitted it" but the facts show the idiots to be wrong.  He was absolutely not against wearing masks (and said so in so many words), he just thought that the time for widespread mask usage was not early March.

The US government absolutely fucked up the mask supply issue, but that's not on Fauci's head.
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grumbler

Quote from: alfred russel on December 29, 2020, 05:23:36 PM
You are nuts. I'm bombarded with messages to wear masks, and while I see many people ignoring those messages, but dramatically more people wearing masks than in March. Usage would have gone way up in March if people were clearly told to wear masks.

Plenty of people are wearing homemade masks, and there were enough for less than universal coverage.

Bottom line is that earlier and clearer communication to wear masks would have increased usage, and slowed disease spread.

People were told to wear masks on April 3rd.  Thinking that issuing that directive three days earlier would have been the game-changer is dumb.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Darth Wagtaros

Quote from: grumbler on December 29, 2020, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 29, 2020, 12:49:03 PM
I think the point is that he deliberately was.... slightly less than truthful and then admitted it.  AT some point people get irritated. Especially when bombarded by constant mockery by the fakeass patriots who are screaming that it is the mark of the beast.

Actually, he seems to have believed in March (as did Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House task force coordinator. the head of the CDC, and the WHO) that the unintended consequences of people touching their face was more a risk than the benefit warranted, and that's what he said in mid-March.  He also mentioned the need to supply existing masks to health care workers and first responders.  Late in March it became clear that asymptomatic people could spread the virus just through things like breathing and talking, and he reversed course by April 3rd.  There's zero evidence that he "deliberately was.... slightly less than truthful and then admitted it," though the right seems to like that as a talking point.

People get irritated at inconvenient truths because they want to get irritated.  Facts cannot dissuade them from being irritated, and they will seize on any excuse to do whatever the hell they want to do.
People hear that and assume its a deliberate lie.  The nuance that doctors are learning while an event is going on is lost in a blaze of social media outrage.
PDH!

Syt

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Eddie Teach

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The Larch

Trump is not even a father figure for his own children.

Admiral Yi

It doesn't even work on its own premise.  If Pelosi and Schumer are spoiled entitled teenagers who need a strong father figure, shouldn't that strong father figure (sic) make them stop acting like spoiled entitled teenagers?

Razgovory

Well, that's as naked a call for Paternalism as you can get.

Is the same Donald Trump that is in the white house?  The one that has been throwing a fit over the election he lost for about two months?  The Donald Trump that has for years whined about how unfair it is?  The one that denigrates the disabled and talks about the size of his dick during a debate?

Trump isn't a "strict father", though he may be a merciless Godfather.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Darth Wagtaros

Quote from: Razgovory on December 31, 2020, 12:04:18 PM
Well, that's as naked a call for Paternalism as you can get.

Is the same Donald Trump that is in the white house?  The one that has been throwing a fit over the election he lost for about two months?  The Donald Trump that has for years whined about how unfair it is?  The one that denigrates the disabled and talks about the size of his dick during a debate?

Trump isn't a "strict father", though he may be a merciless Godfather.
He's like the super strict wackjob from the StepFather movies.
PDH!

Syt

Shared by my brother in law.

https://thenewamerican.com/data-scientists-show-more-than-432000-trump-votes-removed-in-pennsylvania/?fbclid=IwAR2tzmlas5cOuRWkxUA2ycU9IaudCrDjXtbPQGmAPiYzi-B-m391w0dPIEM

QuoteData Scientists Show More Than 432,000 Trump Votes Removed in Pennsylvania

As allegations of voter fraud continue to come forward — only to be dismissed out of hand by Democrats — a group of data scientists with the Data Integrity Group say they have uncovered evidence that more than 432,000 Trump votes were nixed in Pennsylvania. Those vote removals happened during the vote tabulation process, and this happened in at least 15 counties across Pennsylvania, according to a report by The Epoch Times.

That report includes a video presentation from those data scientists that shows the breakdown of the removed votes. The report states that vote removals included both Election Day (in-person) votes and absentee votes:

QuoteThe group said that Election Day vote removals happened during the vote tabulation process in at least 15 counties, including Lehigh County, Chester County, Allegheny County, Armstrong County, Westmoreland County, Northampton County, Delaware County, Montgomery County, Lackawanna County, Dauphin County, Pike County, Carbon County, Washington County, Erie County, and Luzerne County.

Meanwhile, absentee vote removals happened in Allegheny County, Chester County, and Lehigh County.

At least 432,116 votes — 213,707 election day votes and 218,409 absentee votes — were removed in total.

It goes on to say that though there were "vote movements across all candidates," there was one major difference. "We did not see the same type of negative decrements to any of the [other] candidates that we saw with President Trump's tallies, and they happened repeatedly with no explanation," Lynda McLaughlin, a member of the group, told The Epoch Times.

And while — as stated above — Democrats have dismissed claims of election fraud without so much as a passing glance at the evidence, it should be noted that the Data Integrity Group is not a consortium of tinfoil-hat-wearing fringe lunatics. On the contrary, their bona fides are impressive. As The Epoch Times reported:

QuoteThe Data Integrity Group is a group of scientists, engineers, and machine learning experts who have been working together to check whether or not there was manipulation of data in the 2020 general election.

The group's lineup of data scientists includes Justin Mealey and Dave Lobue.

Mealey is a nine-year veteran of the U.S. Navy, where he worked as an electronic warfare technician, cryptologic technician, and Arabic linguist. He worked at the NSA as a mission manager for Levant/North Africa and later worked as a CIA contractor at the National Counter-Terrorism Center.

Lobue has 12 years of experience in data science and machine learning across financial services, telecommunications, and research consulting industries. He currently specializes in artificial intelligence applications.

This is a far cry from the wild, unsubstantiated claims Democrats and their mainstream-media accomplices made about election fraud during the 2016 election. Only then, those claims led the news cycles as "facts" — though no evidence was ever offered to prove their claims.

And the Data Integrity Group is careful to stick to verifiable facts and demonstrable data. Not making claims about blame or jumping to any conclusions about what may have caused the removal of the votes, the group told The Epoch Times, "The bottom line is the errors were made. Data confirms these errors and it shouldn't matter if they were machine or human, they're still errors and deserve a second review and thorough analysis with forensic audits to find the answers."

Indeed. But Democrats and other establishment types do not appear to want answers. They already have the only "answer" they want: Biden won according to the count, and that is that. Nothing else to see here, folks.

As such, the report from The Epoch Times states:

QuotePennsylvania's electors cast their votes for Biden and Kamala Harris as president-elect and vice president-elect on Dec. 14, 2020.

State-certified results show Biden won the Keystone State by 80,555 votes.

But, if 432,000 Trump votes were removed, that 80,555 gap closes considerably. And — here, this writer will speculate, though given what is known, the speculation is not wild — if any sizable number of those votes were counted for Biden, that gap may disappear altogether, meaning that Trump actually won Pennsylvania.

To show that such a possibility is not a stretch, consider that — as The Epoch Times reported — a widely-circulated video clip of CNN's live election night broadcast shows 19,958 votes being switched from Trump to Biden in 30 seconds.

That "oops" moment was brought to you by Edison Research and was corrected. But then that error was broadcast nation-wide on CNN. How many such errors were not seen on your television and computer screens and therefore not corrected?

None of this is about partisan politics and which candidate won. Instead, it is about the integrity of the entire election process. If the establishment can simply slap its imprimatur on a victory that has so many unaddressed problems stemming from what appears to any honest person to be fraud, then moving forward, the United States has an election system that makes banana republics look honest by comparison.

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Tamas

QuoteBut, if 432,000 Trump votes were removed, that 80,555 gap closes considerably.

:lol: I love it when stupid people want to sound all sophisticated-like. Yes, mate, if you had 400 more, that gap of 80 would, indeed, be considerably closed.

Barrister

Well if it was reported in the Epoch Times it must be true!
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Admiral Yi

It's a weird twist that a Falun Gong newspaper decided to be a Trump mouthpiece.