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[Valmy]

But Tamas was saying we had slave ancestors. Which we do. But so what?

I think the "so what" was part of his point.  That that "whataboutism" hasn't been used a lot recently.  I think it has been in the past, but usually rolled into the whataboutism that usually reads as "what about compensation for the enslavement of my ancestors in ancient Rome?".

Or the Irish indentured servants!!!11

[Tonitrus]

But Tamas was saying we had slave ancestors. Which we do. But so what?

I think the "so what" was part of his point.  That that "whataboutism" hasn't been used a lot recently.  I think it has been in the past, but usually rolled into the whataboutism that usually reads as "what about compensation for the enslavement of my ancestors in ancient Rome?".

Or the Irish indentured servants!!!11

You beat my edit. 

[Valmy]

One thing I did not realize before that became a thing a couple years ago was that only the Irish were ever indentured.

Of course I guess if being indentured is being a slave then I guess everybody descended from craftsmen has slave ancestors.

[Tamas]

But Tamas was saying we had slave ancestors. Which we do. But so what?

I think the "so what" was part of his point...implied in his questioning why that "whataboutism" hasn't been used a lot recently.

Yes.

[Duque de Bragança]

I guess the etymology of serf, from servus, slave in Classical Latin, is often ignored.

However, the serf category finds its origin mostly in the status degradation of the Colonus (tenant farmer/colonist) of the Late Roman Empire. 

[viper37]

I'm noticing an odd number of shitty memes around about how some black people had slaves too.
Like....
Yeah?
And?

Is it just me or is the fasc's obsession with whataboutism getting worse and worse?

I mean yeah those slaves were almost entirely captured and sold by Africans. But so what? If we were Nigerians or whatever that would be an issue we would have to deal with, but we aren't so that is their issue. Why bring it up?

Some Black Southerners held slaves because it was easier to have a "slave" than a freedperson when they wanted to liberate their family and work on a plantation themselves.
This is where this story comes from.  Not to say that some blacks could not have owned slaves the same way the whites where, but that was the majority situation.

Wait... what?

The majority of black slaveowners probably held and used slave just like white slaveowners.  There certainly were cases of black slaveowners who held a few slaves (often family members) whom they couldn't legally manumit except in their wills, but they were unusual enough to be notable.  Most slaves were not related to their owners and were used as labor, just as they would under a white owner. This was especially common in Louisiana.

It is just possible,  though, (records are not good enough to say for sure) that the majority of slaveowners had a personal interest in their slaves, but that the majority of the slaves of black slaveowners had no personal interest in their owner.

I can't find my source anymore.  It was an academic site, but I haven't bookmarked it.  So I'll retract my statement.

[viper37]

Somehow that feels untrue.

the last part is true.  I don't think they thought about it real hard, though.  It could very well apply to the people venerating the Confederate flag and the statues of Jefferson Davis.

[Syt]

Barbara Rew
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I wonder why this issue of racial inequality wasn't fixed when we had a black president in office for 8 years???

[crazy canuck]

That quote in your signature line is great

[Syt]

Thanks, it's by John Rogers.

[Syt]

Defunding the police = fascism. Also, Nazis = Socialists.

[Razgovory]

It's bad enough when your sisters mangle our history, but I figured they would know their own history.

[Josquius]

A new high.

[Syt]

Considering that the nazis increased police funding and powers it's a bit embarrassing, really.

[Oexmelin]

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength.