Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[alfred russel]

Because I don't see why one has to "think of the endgame" in order to point out a problem. In particular, for a problem like this where lack of awareness or interest is a major contributing factor, raising the profile is often the best thing a non-expert celebrity can do.

If, in fact, no expert is working on the problem then it may be time for non-experts to step in, but I don't think that is the case here.

Donald Trump got elected president, and he was a non expert celebrity, and also an incompetent moron.

[Maximus]

Because I don't see why one has to "think of the endgame" in order to point out a problem. In particular, for a problem like this where lack of awareness or interest is a major contributing factor, raising the profile is often the best thing a non-expert celebrity can do.

If, in fact, no expert is working on the problem then it may be time for non-experts to step in, but I don't think that is the case here.

Donald Trump got elected president, and he was a non expert celebrity, and also an incompetent moron.

Exactly. How much better would it have been if he had stuck to tweeting.

[Admiral Yi]

Because I don't see why one has to "think of the endgame" in order to point out a problem. In particular, for a problem like this where lack of awareness or interest is a major contributing factor, raising the profile is often the best thing a non-expert celebrity can do.

If, in fact, no expert is working on the problem then it may be time for non-experts to step in, but I don't think that is the case here.

Here's the thing, I don't know what problem they're pointing out any more.  Back when there was a string of about 10 shootings of blacks by cops I knew exactly what the problem was.  But how long has it been now since one made the new cycle? 

And though I agree that a group does not need a glossy power point presentation with footnotes and appendices to justify their protest, they do need communication of what it is that is making them unhappy, and conversely, what would make them happy.  MLK: we can vote, run for office, not get lynched, we're happy.  Gays: we can marry, serve in the military, we're happy.  What would make BLM happy?

[Valmy]

And though I agree that a group does not need a glossy power point presentation with footnotes and appendices to justify their protest, they do need communication of what it is that is making them unhappy, and conversely, what would make them happy.  MLK: we can vote, run for office, not get lynched, we're happy.  Gays: we can marry, serve in the military, we're happy.  What would make BLM happy?

Yeah you at least need a slogan or something about what you want. Something people can get behind, not necessarily a wonkish list of policy proposals.

Again they can go ahead and keep standing up (or sitting down, or kneeling, or whatever) for the injustice in our society, and more power to them. I just think they need a bit more to get more traction.

[Maximus]

Because I don't see why one has to "think of the endgame" in order to point out a problem. In particular, for a problem like this where lack of awareness or interest is a major contributing factor, raising the profile is often the best thing a non-expert celebrity can do.

If, in fact, no expert is working on the problem then it may be time for non-experts to step in, but I don't think that is the case here.

Here's the thing, I don't know what problem they're pointing out any more.  Back when there was a string of about 10 shootings of blacks by cops I knew exactly what the problem was.  But how long has it been now since one made the new cycle? 

Ah, I think I see the issue. The news media stops focusing on the problem and we assume it has solved itself.

And then some people keep talking about the same issue and we think they're talking about something new.

[Maximus]

And though I agree that a group does not need a glossy power point presentation with footnotes and appendices to justify their protest, they do need communication of what it is that is making them unhappy, and conversely, what would make them happy.  MLK: we can vote, run for office, not get lynched, we're happy.  Gays: we can marry, serve in the military, we're happy.  What would make BLM happy?

Yeah you at least need a slogan or something about what you want. Something people can get behind, not necessarily a wonkish list of policy proposals.

What is "black lives matter" if not a slogan?

[Admiral Yi]

Ah, I think I see the issue. The news media stops focusing on the problem and we assume it has solved itself.

And then some people keep talking about the same issue and we think they're talking about something new.

"Stops focusing on the problem" is a nice euphemism.  I was talking about discrete, concrete cases of actual humans being killed.  Either that has continued, abated, increased, or stopped.  Either that was and still is "the problem" or something else was and still is the problem.

[Valmy]

What is "black lives matter" if not a slogan?

It is a very effective one. I mean the first step is always drawing attention to the problem but it is only the first step.

And eventually people will stop listening, as Yi said the problem has kind of disappeared from the media lately.

[Maximus]

Ah, I think I see the issue. The news media stops focusing on the problem and we assume it has solved itself.

And then some people keep talking about the same issue and we think they're talking about something new.

"Stops focusing on the problem" is a nice euphemism.  I was talking about discrete, concrete cases of actual humans being killed.  Either that has continued, abated, increased, or stopped.  Either that was and still is "the problem" or something else was and still is the problem.

Have you reason to believe that's not still the problem?

[Maximus]

What is "black lives matter" if not a slogan?

It is a very effective one. I mean the first step is always drawing attention to the problem but it is only the first step.

And eventually people will stop listening, as Yi said the problem has kind of disappeared from the media lately.

I guess "I can't breathe" and "don't shoot" aren't catchy enough.

[Admiral Yi]

Have you reason to believe that's not still the problem?

I already answered this.  No black cop killings for a good long time.

Do you have reason to believe this is still the problem?  Do you, for example, have reason to believe that blacks continue to be gunned down and the media is not reporting it because of indifference?

[Valmy]

I guess "I can't breathe" and "don't shoot" aren't catchy enough.

Are you fucking with me now? Because this is kind of a bullshit response.

[garbon]

Wtf? No blacks killed by cops for a long time?

[Maximus]

Have you reason to believe that's not still the problem?

I already answered this.  No black cop killings for a good long time.

You have evidence for this belief?

Do you have reason to believe this is still the problem?  Do you, for example, have reason to believe that blacks continue to be gunned down and the media is not reporting it because of indifference?

You mean besides the fact that it's been happening for decades and I've heard nothing to indicate that it has changed?

[Maximus]

I guess "I can't breathe" and "don't shoot" aren't catchy enough.

Are you fucking with me now? Because this is kind of a bullshit response.

Elaborate, please

Edit: no I'm not fucking with you.