Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[garbon]

Heh, Americans don't need guns, they just need to roll down a hill and will squash the Chinese invaders.

True, we are well off enough that we don't have to worry about famine like Hungary does.

[Tamas]

Here I am making a fat joke and you coming in all serious-like. 

[garbon]

[The Minsky Moment]

Nice pic of a well-ordered militia.

No kidding.
If the idea of that picture was to make the point that the 2.5 million PLA could easily steamroll 70 million wannabes with ARs, it succeeded.
I have no doubt that the Chinese military games out potential conflicts with the US in great detail and no doubt that civilian American gunowners do not factor one iota in that analysis.

[Syt]

[PDH]

I get it, guns don't kill people.  It is mostly the bullets that do the killing.

[Valmy]

We are going to use government data to prove that government is lying.

[Barrister]

I'm pretty sure the 19,200 suicides by gun and the 960 accidental gun deaths are a big problem.

I'm also pretty sure I don't want gang members shooting at each other, even if they're not shooting at me.

[Valmy]

I'm pretty sure the 19,200 suicides by gun and the 960 accidental gun deaths are a big problem.

I'm also pretty sure I don't want gang members shooting at each other, even if they're not shooting at me.

I do appreciate the honesty. The message was that really all those people would be killed anyway and guns are not dangerous to have around. But really it is that those deaths were caused by guns but tens of thousands is a worthwhile sacrifice for our gun rights. We are just going to accept that tens of thousands are going to die but it is worth it.

I do wonder if the same person posting about how 30,000 is no big deal, and not a problem at all and anybody claiming otherwise is a liar, is the same one howling about 4 people being killed in Benghazi or 11,000 killed on September 11th.

[frunk]

I do wonder if the same person posting about how 30,000 is no big deal, and not a problem at all and anybody claiming otherwise is a liar, is the same one howling about 4 people being killed in Benghazi or 11,000 killed on September 11th.

11,000?

[Razgovory]

Nice pic of a well-ordered militia.

No kidding.
If the idea of that picture was to make the point that the 2.5 million PLA could easily steamroll 70 million wannabes with ARs, it succeeded.
I have no doubt that the Chinese military games out potential conflicts with the US in great detail and no doubt that civilian American gunowners do not factor one iota in that analysis.

I would go so far as to say that Chinese militia system which has actual training, standardized arms, and superior weapons maintained in centralized locations, could probably defeat an army of unorganized of overweight 50 year old men any day of the week.  Of course the enemy these militia types have in mind aren't foreign, just as the enemies militiamen were effective against in the 18th and 19th century weren't foreign, of even armed.

[Valmy]

I do wonder if the same person posting about how 30,000 is no big deal, and not a problem at all and anybody claiming otherwise is a liar, is the same one howling about 4 people being killed in Benghazi or 11,000 killed on September 11th.

11,000?

Ok it appears I thought a significantly larger number of people died on 9/11 than really died. 3,000 then, only 10% of not a problem.

[Syt]

I'm pretty sure the 19,200 suicides by gun and the 960 accidental gun deaths are a big problem.

I'm also pretty sure I don't want gang members shooting at each other, even if they're not shooting at me.

I do appreciate the honesty. The message was that really all those people would be killed anyway and guns are not dangerous to have around. But really it is that those deaths were caused by guns but tens of thousands is a worthwhile sacrifice for our gun rights. We are just going to accept that tens of thousands are going to die but it is worth it.

I do wonder if the same person posting about how 30,000 is no big deal, and not a problem at all and anybody claiming otherwise is a liar, is the same one howling about 4 people being killed in Benghazi or 11,000 killed on September 11th.

Yes

[Malthus]

I'm pretty sure the 19,200 suicides by gun and the 960 accidental gun deaths are a big problem.

I'm also pretty sure I don't want gang members shooting at each other, even if they're not shooting at me.

Where do they get the stat that 80% of firearm deaths are "gang related"? CDC reports dont seem to list that.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf

Also - you don't have to die to be a victim of a gun-related crime, such as being robbed at gunpoint.

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, 467,321 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm in 2011.[1] In the same year, data collected by the FBI show that firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 41 percent of robbery offenses and 21 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide.[2]

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/gun-violence-america#gangs

Given that the US population in 2011 was 311 million, using these folks' approach to stats, you have a 0.15 percent chance, per year, of being a victim of a gun-related crime. over one's lifespan, that's pretty significant - 12% (assuming an 80 year lifespan). So something like one in eight will, on average, be a victim of gun-related crime at some point in their life ... 

[Razgovory]

When they say "gang-related" they mean, non-white.  Otherwise it makes no sense because gangs do not exclusively victimize other gang members.