Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[Syt]

So she agrees that we should do background checks and gun registries to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

[Valmy]

I mean true. People would still be killed by knives. But they are just much less efficient.

[DGuller]

So the argument is that things wouldn't be any worse if prisoners were allowed to have guns?

[Admiral Yi]

The argument is if you can't get to zero deaths what's the point of even trying.

[Josquius]

Gun nuts really do have a bizzare view of the world.

[grumbler]

While obviously more of an editorial (of whatever quality you judge it be) than a news article, I think it does provoke a real and troubling concern.  That point where even a theoretically universal health care system decides to cut short that universality for the sake of costs, and thus perhaps making the life of someone with a debilitating illness feel as if it no longer worth struggling with.

(here is the news report from the CBC, if you want one a bit less ideologically charged: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/als-bc-man-medically-assisted-death-1.5244731 _

I'm impressed that it actually happened, or at least, something close to what the article said. Most of them are made up crap. "Not Fake News as they are based on Tru Events meant to make you think. "

A couple of things struck me about this story.  First, I find it hard to believe that the difference between the 20 hours of care he was offered and the 24 he wanted was literally the difference between living happily and wanting to kill yourself.  Second, if he literally could not survive without 24-hour medical care, he probably belonged in a hospital/care facility.  Nobody wants to leave their kids to go into the hospital, but that's not the deciding factor.  Third, he was in end-stage ALS (after surviving longer than most victims), so his life expectancy was short and he may have opted for assisted suicide soon even if he'd gotten the extra 4 hours/day of nursing, just so his son could know he went out peacefully.

In short, I don't see this as a scandal.  A tragedy, for sure, but the tragedy was him developing ALS with such a young child.

[Razgovory]

Gun nuts really do have a bizzare view of the world.

No, it's just dishonest.

[Darth Wagtaros]

While obviously more of an editorial (of whatever quality you judge it be) than a news article, I think it does provoke a real and troubling concern.  That point where even a theoretically universal health care system decides to cut short that universality for the sake of costs, and thus perhaps making the life of someone with a debilitating illness feel as if it no longer worth struggling with.

(here is the news report from the CBC, if you want one a bit less ideologically charged: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/als-bc-man-medically-assisted-death-1.5244731 _

I'm impressed that it actually happened, or at least, something close to what the article said. Most of them are made up crap. "Not Fake News as they are based on Tru Events meant to make you think. "

A couple of things struck me about this story.  First, I find it hard to believe that the difference between the 20 hours of care he was offered and the 24 he wanted was literally the difference between living happily and wanting to kill yourself.  Second, if he literally could not survive without 24-hour medical care, he probably belonged in a hospital/care facility.  Nobody wants to leave their kids to go into the hospital, but that's not the deciding factor.  Third, he was in end-stage ALS (after surviving longer than most victims), so his life expectancy was short and he may have opted for assisted suicide soon even if he'd gotten the extra 4 hours/day of nursing, just so his son could know he went out peacefully.

In short, I don't see this as a scandal.  A tragedy, for sure, but the tragedy was him developing ALS with such a young child.

But there was a guy and he did have a sickness.  That makes this article more factually true than most of them.

[Syt]

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[Valmy]

Yeah it doesn't make any sense.

[crazy canuck]

goal posts effectively moved. Well done.  We were talking about the left calling for people to be punished by being fired for their political beliefs.

They are not calling for people on the left to be fired for their political beliefs but expressing them.

Actually it was teaching political ideology, so a teacher who supports the principles of Liberal Democracy can no longer teach a civics class in the US?  What a world this has become.

[Razgovory]

goal posts effectively moved. Well done.  We were talking about the left calling for people to be punished by being fired for their political beliefs.

They are not calling for people on the left to be fired for their political beliefs but expressing them.

Actually it was teaching political ideology, so a teacher who supports the principles of Liberal Democracy can no longer teach a civics class in the US?  What a world this has become.

American conservatives don't believe in "Liberal Democracy".  If you ask them, they will bizarrely tell you that the US is Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

[dps]

goal posts effectively moved. Well done.  We were talking about the left calling for people to be punished by being fired for their political beliefs.

They are not calling for people on the left to be fired for their political beliefs but expressing them.

Actually it was teaching political ideology, so a teacher who supports the principles of Liberal Democracy can no longer teach a civics class in the US?  What a world this has become.

American conservatives don't believe in "Liberal Democracy".  If you ask them, they will bizarrely tell you that the US is Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

That's more of a big L Libertarian thing, or a the view of someone overly hung up on semantics.

[derspiess]

If you ask them, they will bizarrely tell you that the US is Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

Yeah, that shit needs to stop.  Getting tired of correcting people. Yes, we are a republic but we are also a Representative Democracy.  The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Habbaku]

Agreed with Spicy. People bleating about us being republic-not-a-democracy have no understanding of our governmental system or what those terms are supposed to mean.