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Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 03, 2018, 10:49:56 AM
Would it be too pedantic to point out that every country outside east Africa is populated by the descendants of people who came from somewhere else?

Yes it would.

These are not ancient population movements. The First Fleet sailed to Australia in 1788; the colonisation of the Dakotas is almost in living memory.

I think that our cultures are safe because we have large populations. China and India had some tough times but were never at risk of being disinherited. The places with lower populations became the areas of dispossession.

Eddie Teach

Ok. What is the magic number of years one's ancestors need to have been in a place to consider himself a native rather than an immigrant?
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Barrister

Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 03, 2018, 11:54:51 AM
Ok. What is the magic number of years one's ancestors need to have been in a place to consider himself a native rather than an immigrant?

There is no "magic number" but there's an obvious difference between one's ancestors having lived in a place for 10, 100, or 1000 years.
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Tamas

Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 03, 2018, 11:54:51 AM
Ok. What is the magic number of years one's ancestors need to have been in a place to consider himself a native rather than an immigrant?

To consider themselves? IMHO being born there.

To be considered by others? Well if they have a different skin colour you'll have the natives talk of "3rd generation immigrants" and such, so they are fucked.



It really is cultural. Hungary is very intolerant at one hand to non-assimilated cultures/identities, don't really let non-whites assimilate, but there are tons of people whose grandparents/great grandparents had a distinct German/assorted Slavic identity during their time, and this is absolutely not a "concern" for either the offsprings or society.

Richard Hakluyt

There was a Polish community of 250k people left in the UK after WW2. They went native incredibly quickly. As a schoolkid I would meet children that seemed completely native but with difficult surnames; one might notice some differences on visiting their homes. The last traces, for all practical purposes, disappeared sometime in the 1990s..........just before the new Poles started turning up. In Preston we had to do without a Polish deli for just over five years.

derspiess

I guess I'm an 11th generation immigrant :)
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Barrister

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Grey Fox

It gets muddled but 13th Generation is the most straight forward answer.
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Richard Hakluyt

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Richard Hakluyt

The process still happens; I would hold up Xinjiang and Tibet as places where immigration will ultimately completely change the culture of those regions.

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Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on December 03, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
I'm a 5th generation immigrant. :)


16th generation.  I had one ancestor who came over in the 1620's.
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Valmy

Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 03, 2018, 10:49:56 AM
Would it be too pedantic to point out that every country outside east Africa is populated by the descendants of people who came from somewhere else?

Yes. :yes:

And why didn't you pick up your gun and fix Georgia instead of moving here?  :mad:
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derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on December 03, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 03, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
I'm a 5th generation immigrant. :)


16th generation.  I had one ancestor who came over in the 1620's.

So did I, but my generations seem more stretched out than everyone else's :huh:
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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on December 03, 2018, 01:04:31 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 03, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 03, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
I'm a 5th generation immigrant. :)


16th generation.  I had one ancestor who came over in the 1620's.

So did I, but my generations seem more stretched out than everyone else's :huh:

Yeah I was frankly very surprised to see how many of my ancestors came over in the 17th century. If I am descended from you and you are not Irish, you probably came over in the 17th century or early 18th century. Even the Germans.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."