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[viper37]

Definitely a worthwhile thing to argue about.

yeah, Grumbler was arguing alone this time, I was merely asking a question    

[grumbler]

Definitely a worthwhile thing to argue about.

yeah, Grumbler was arguing alone this time, I was merely asking a question

  No, you made an assertion, which was incorrect, then doubled down on the stupid. I was just pointing out the stupid.

[Eddie Teach]

Let's argue about whether we were arguing!

[Valmy]

"opposed" would be too strong a word.  He didn't like it would be a more appropriate description from what I've read.
Kinda like a necessary evil to him.  But a necessary evil to the white man, less so to the black.

I read the letters that are the source for people's views on his thoughts on race and slavery and yeah he does say there are a few problems with it but overall he basically has a perfectly conventional view of slavery for a member of his class. Slavery in America was much better for blacks than living in Africa. The abolitionists were vile troublemakers who were breaking apart the country. I feel like people tend to ignore most of what he says on these topics but focus on little nuggets and blow them out of proportion in an attempt to deify the guy. His army had tons of slaves in it doing manual labor, his armies captured free blacks in the north and turned them into slaves, and again he fought in court to keep people enslaved who his father-in-law tried to free. Yet hardly any of his apologists every tackle those facts, they just grasp at straws by taking things he said in his letters out of context.

I remember being very annoyed by Gods and Generals and Gettysburg putting ridiculous abolitionist statements in the mouths of Longstreet and Jackson. I see no evidence either was so detached from the reality of slavery in the South even in the unlikely event they did have those opinions. But the number of abolitionists in Confederate Army was probably much lower than sometimes perceived...like zero.

[CountDeMoney]

I remember being very annoyed by Gods and Generals and Gettysburg putting ridiculous abolitionist statements in the mouths of Longstreet and Jackson.

But didn't you see how much fun Stonewall Jackson's slave was having?  Why, it was positively righteous.

[DGuller]

Definitely a worthwhile thing to argue about.

yeah, Grumbler was arguing alone this time, I was merely asking a question

  No, you made an assertion, which was incorrect, then doubled down on the stupid. I was just pointing out the stupid.

I'll never be able to take anything viper37 says seriously after this debacle.

[dps]

"opposed" would be too strong a word.  He didn't like it would be a more appropriate description from what I've read.
Kinda like a necessary evil to him.  But a necessary evil to the white man, less so to the black.

I read the letters that are the source for people's views on his thoughts on race and slavery and yeah he does say there are a few problems with it but overall he basically has a perfectly conventional view of slavery for a member of his class. Slavery in America was much better for blacks than living in Africa. The abolitionists were vile troublemakers who were breaking apart the country. I feel like people tend to ignore most of what he says on these topics but focus on little nuggets and blow them out of proportion in an attempt to deify the guy. His army had tons of slaves in it doing manual labor, his armies captured free blacks in the north and turned them into slaves, and again he fought in court to keep people enslaved who his father-in-law tried to free. Yet hardly any of his apologists every tackle those facts, they just grasp at straws by taking things he said in his letters out of context.

I remember being very annoyed by Gods and Generals and Gettysburg putting ridiculous abolitionist statements in the mouths of Longstreet and Jackson. I see no evidence either was so detached from the reality of slavery in the South even in the unlikely event they did have those opinions. But the number of abolitionists in Confederate Army was probably much lower than sometimes perceived...like zero.

I don't know that Longstreet was an abolitionist, but he did join the Republican party after the war.

[Ed Anger]

Cleburne wanted to use darkies in the Confederate army. It didn't go over well.

[11B4V]

Definitely a worthwhile thing to argue about.

yeah, Grumbler was arguing alone this time, I was merely asking a question

  No, you made an assertion, which was incorrect, then doubled down on the stupid. I was just pointing out the stupid.

I'll never be able to take anything viper37 says seriously after this debacle.

He has approached Marty level in achievement trophy

[Ed Anger]

Definitely a worthwhile thing to argue about.

yeah, Grumbler was arguing alone this time, I was merely asking a question

  No, you made an assertion, which was incorrect, then doubled down on the stupid. I was just pointing out the stupid.

I'll never be able to take anything viper37 says seriously after this debacle.

He has approached Marty level in achievement trophy

The Golden Foot

[Valmy]

I don't know that Longstreet was an abolitionist, but he did join the Republican party after the war.

Yeah and he was the leader of a force of black police officers against his own veterans in the bizarre Battle of Liberty Place. So maybe Longstreet did have abolitionist thoughts...I doubt it...but maybe he did. But even if he did the throwaway line in the Gettysburg movie that the Southern states should have just freed the slaves in 1861 before firing on Fort Sumter is amazing. I don't have to explain at length what a bizarrely out of touch thing that is to say. The implication being that people would have been fine with it is just...well...yeah.

[Syt]

And this is why the Confederate memorials must remain, apparently:

[Oexmelin]

Every time I think memes can't get any stupider, and shameless...

[Eddie Teach]

They are certainly a lousy vehicle for debate.

[Tamas]

How clever they must consider themselves for having come up with that one. Jesus.