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Berkut

#4740
August 23, 2017, 02:32:20 PM
Call me crazy, but I  think a basic requirement for me to think that some person is "opposed to slavery", regardless of what they say, or write, is that they, I don't know....

DON'T OWN ANY FUCKING SLAVES.
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Eddie Teach

#4741
August 23, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Lee didn't own slaves.
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The Brain

#4742
August 23, 2017, 02:50:57 PM
The people you own end up owning you.
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HVC

#4743
August 23, 2017, 02:53:11 PM
he opposed to so much he fought to defend it. moral giant that guy is. either he's a liar, or a hypocrite.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Razgovory

#4744
August 23, 2017, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 23, 2017, 02:29:59 PM
I never got the 'Lee was an abolishionist' thing. Or how he was opposed to slavery and secession but participated in both yet was a man of great integrity.


Lee was released some slaves at in 1862 I think.  He was required to do so because of a will. 

Also, tip of that hat to Grumbler, it didn't occur to me, but he's right about the decorations.  I don't think there were any decorations awarded during Lee's time in the military.  They had "Mentioned in dispatches" instead.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

HVC

#4745
August 23, 2017, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 23, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Lee didn't own slaves.

so he was poor too. another strike against him in the republican mind.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Oexmelin

#4746
August 23, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
It was a great moral failing not to erect hundreds of monuments to the memory of those men full of integrity, who fought for the British during the War for Tax Evasion.
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Valmy

#4747
August 23, 2017, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 23, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Lee didn't own slaves.

Yes he did. What is your source?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

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Valmy

#4748
August 23, 2017, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on August 23, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
It was a great moral failing not to erect hundreds of monuments to the memory of those men full of integrity, who fought for the British during the War for Tax Evasion.

It went better than the English War for Tax Evasion back in the 1640s
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

HVC

#4749
August 23, 2017, 03:15:49 PM
it'd feel more sympathy for "but it's history" if these monuments were put up right after the war rather than after the 1900 to intimidate black people.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

The Brain

#4750
August 23, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
I wonder if the Japanese will let the statue of Saigo Takamori in Ueno Park remain. :hmm:
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Malthus

#4751
August 23, 2017, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 23, 2017, 03:15:49 PM
it'd feel more sympathy for "but it's history" if these monuments were put up right after the war rather than after the 1900 to intimidate black people.

Hey, intimidating Black people is historical.

;)
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CountDeMoney

#4752
August 23, 2017, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 23, 2017, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 23, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Lee didn't own slaves.

Yes he did. What is your source?

They were his wife's slaves.

derspiess

#4753
August 23, 2017, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 23, 2017, 12:47:00 PM
D'Souza is right though. Lee considered himself a Virginian over an American and that's why he fought for the South.

That is one of the few things Dinesh got right.  I first saw him when he was giving a speech on C-SPAN in the 90s and quite liked it.  But everything I've heard and read from him since then has been too crap-laden to bother with.
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Malthus

#4754
August 23, 2017, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2017, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 23, 2017, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 23, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Lee didn't own slaves.

Yes he did. What is your source?

They were his wife's slaves.

The old "hold the valuable property in the wife's name" trick. Must have learned it from his tax accountant.  :P
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