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dps

Quote from: Berkut on February 06, 2017, 04:01:33 PM
If I include a bribe, or drug money, is that then evidence to be used against me that I am taking bribes?

I think, that in theory, information provided to the IRS for tax purposes can only be used against you in court if you're accused of cheating on your taxes.  I'm not sure that I'm correct about that, and even if I am, I wouldn't want to trust that some clever prosecutor couldn't find a way to make it incorrect in practice.

grumbler

Quote from: dps on February 06, 2017, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 06, 2017, 04:01:33 PM
If I include a bribe, or drug money, is that then evidence to be used against me that I am taking bribes?

I think, that in theory, information provided to the IRS for tax purposes can only be used against you in court if you're accused of cheating on your taxes.  I'm not sure that I'm correct about that, and even if I am, I wouldn't want to trust that some clever prosecutor couldn't find a way to make it incorrect in practice.

It certainly can provide probable cause.  That law exists to create a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't dilemma for crooks:  get investigated for the criminal act, or for the tax evasion necessary to hide the criminal act.
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Quote from: grumbler on February 06, 2017, 10:34:06 PM
It certainly can provide probable cause.  That law exists to create a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't dilemma for crooks:  get investigated for the criminal act, or for the tax evasion necessary to hide the criminal act.
Which to me seems a bit questionable constitutionally, at least in spirit.  It's almost like you're forcing someone to incriminate themselves or rack up new charges, which goes against the fundamental protections provided.

dps

Quote from: DGuller on February 06, 2017, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 06, 2017, 10:34:06 PM
It certainly can provide probable cause.  That law exists to create a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't dilemma for crooks:  get investigated for the criminal act, or for the tax evasion necessary to hide the criminal act.
Which to me seems a bit questionable constitutionally, at least in spirit.  It's almost like you're forcing someone to incriminate themselves or rack up new charges, which goes against the fundamental protections provided.

Yeah, I think that's why in theory, the information provided to the IRS is only supposed to be used for tax purposes--you're required to report all income, so using the information you provide against you violates the 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination.

grumbler

Quote from: dps on February 06, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 06, 2017, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 06, 2017, 10:34:06 PM
It certainly can provide probable cause.  That law exists to create a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't dilemma for crooks:  get investigated for the criminal act, or for the tax evasion necessary to hide the criminal act.
Which to me seems a bit questionable constitutionally, at least in spirit.  It's almost like you're forcing someone to incriminate themselves or rack up new charges, which goes against the fundamental protections provided.

Yeah, I think that's why in theory, the information provided to the IRS is only supposed to be used for tax purposes--you're required to report all income, so using the information you provide against you violates the 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination.

I think that's why your theory is wrong.  The IRS can collect only the fact of the income, not its source (the USSC has ruled that the latter would be self-incrimination, but not the former).  What I have seen indicates that the IRS can, and does, report the fact of the illegal income to law enforcement for criminal investigation as appropriate.
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Quote from: Valmy on February 07, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
Because they are assholes?

Who?  The people who make the posters with bullshit made-up "facts," or the people* who put them on facebook?


*not aimed at you at all, garbo - you are doing us a service here
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