Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[LaCroix]

a joke. absurdist humor maybe? places like 4chan developed a culture over the years of saying random shit but not actually being serious about it. imagine it was "the earth is flat" rather than "hitler did nothing wrong." a person using the expression, "the earth is flat" doesn't literally mean the earth is flat -- it's a meme. (edit) this isn't even the best analogy because "the earth is flat" is an actual phrase. I don't think "hitler did nothing wrong" is even an actual phrase used by nazis. the idea behind it, sure, but not a repeatable phrase that nazis go around shouting.

[LaCroix]

Sort of like trying to have a conversation with you.

I wasn't intending to insult anyone. I'm sure I wouldn't truly get really obscure cultural things that existed 20 years ago.

[Razgovory]

On second thought the ChiComs have the right idea.  Ban the internet before it's too late.

We may have discovered the Great Filter, why no intelligent life survives long enough to colonize the Universe.

[Valmy]

Sort of like trying to have a conversation with you.

I wasn't intending to insult anyone. I'm sure I wouldn't truly get really obscure cultural things that existed 20 years ago.

I think we all understand the idea behind internet memes and how people say things they shouldn't say in public behind the screen of the internet.

But once you leave the internet things are different. If you are going around saying nazi things I don't give a damn what is deep inside your heart. It could not be more irrelevant. You are what your actions say you are. Like I don't think Shia gets a pass because punch memes exist in his internet community.

[The Minsky Moment]

The earth is flat is a metaphor, not a meme.

[Admiral Yi]

a joke. absurdist humor maybe? places like 4chan developed a culture over the years of saying random shit but not actually being serious about it. imagine it was "the earth is flat" rather than "hitler did nothing wrong." a person using the expression, "the earth is flat" doesn't literally mean the earth is flat -- it's a meme. (edit) this isn't even the best analogy because "the earth is flat" is an actual phrase. I don't think "hitler did nothing wrong" is even an actual phrase used by nazis. the idea behind it, sure, but not a repeatable phrase that nazis go around shouting.

I think I get it.  You say something outrageous which you don't believe to be true as a kind of in-joke, to demonstrate that you're one of the ins who "gets it." For example I could say "LaCroix's mom deserves to be gang raped" to demonstrate my belonging to the group.  Then if I showed up at a LaCroix family gathering and repeated it my clever meme, you would criticize those who took offense because "it's just a meme."

[dps]

a joke. absurdist humor maybe? places like 4chan developed a culture over the years of saying random shit but not actually being serious about it. imagine it was "the earth is flat" rather than "hitler did nothing wrong." a person using the expression, "the earth is flat" doesn't literally mean the earth is flat -- it's a meme. (edit) this isn't even the best analogy because "the earth is flat" is an actual phrase. I don't think "hitler did nothing wrong" is even an actual phrase used by nazis. the idea behind it, sure, but not a repeatable phrase that nazis go around shouting.

The thing is, there are actually people who still believe that the Earth is flat, and those that believe that Hitler didn't do anything wrong (except, perhaps, lose the war).  If you go around saying those things, people are going to assume that you're either a fool or a Nazi or a jackass that's just trying to provoke someone (not that there isn't a lot of overlap there). 

[LaCroix]

I think we all understand the idea behind internet memes and how people say things they shouldn't say in public behind the screen of the internet.

But once you leave the internet things are different. If you are going around saying nazi things I don't give a damn what is deep inside your heart. It could not be more irrelevant. You are what your actions say you are. Like I don't think Shia gets a pass because punch memes exist in his internet community.

so, if there was a comedian who used a specific type of humor you didn't understand but instead took at face value, you'd also lash out? as you said, intent is irrelevant. what the person actually intends is irrelevant to what he does. that's ridiculous, and I think if it was almost anything else you'd see it was ridiculous.

a person who punches someone is someone who punched someone. a person who says "hitler did nothing wrong" isn't just a person who said "hitler did nothing wrong," but he's now also a nazi?

[LaCroix]

I think I get it.  You say something outrageous which you don't believe to be true as a kind of in-joke, to demonstrate that you're one of the ins who "gets it." For example I could say "LaCroix's mom deserves to be gang raped" to demonstrate my belonging to the group.  Then if I showed up at a LaCroix family gathering and repeated it my clever meme, you would criticize those who took offense because "it's just a meme."

no. I would criticize if a member of the crowd, once the joke was explained to him, still believed you literally thought my mom deserved to be gang raped.

[LaCroix]

The thing is, there are actually people who still believe that the Earth is flat, and those that believe that Hitler didn't do anything wrong (except, perhaps, lose the war).  If you go around saying those things, people are going to assume that you're either a fool or a Nazi or a jackass that's just trying to provoke someone (not that there isn't a lot of overlap there).

exactly, and that's the person's fault for being dumb enough to say it. but that doesn't make it actually true.

[derspiess]

I just saw the Shia LaBeouf video

he will not divide us...

[Valmy]

I just saw the Shia LaBeouf video

he will not divide us...

Shia LeBeouf will always unite us in agreeing he is a shitty actor who always portrayed douchebag characters.

[Valmy]

exactly, and that's the person's fault for being dumb enough to say it. but that doesn't make it actually true.

Who cares what is actually true? Without some kind of soul reading machine it is impossible to know what somebody truly thinks so it makes no difference. People are judged by their actions for a reason. It is called personal responsibility.

If you go around saying that you think Hitler did nothing wrong in public than people think you are the kind of person who says something like that.

[LaCroix]

Who cares what is actually true?

you're right, alternative facts, etc.

[Valmy]

Who cares what is actually true?

you're right, alternative facts, etc.

What somebody thinks deep in their heart is not a fact. What somebody does and says is.