Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[The Minsky Moment]

The "damage" you mention is, as far as I'm aware, removing less than a pro rata share of funding.  The only way that constitutes damage is if you acknowledge a de facto subsidy previously occuring, from the kids who have left to the ones who stay behind (no pun intended yuck yuck).

Public school systems have fixed costs so an easy way of knocking a system down is to drain out people at the margin.  That's what happened in Detroit.
The "anything goes" program deVos backed in Michigan accelerated the process. Most of the charter operators are limited liability companies- they can form and compete for enrollment, and just fold up business if things don't go so well and then try again in another location or with a different marketing hook.  The result has been revolving doors where students jump from school to school.  Public schools aren't institutionally equipped to play this game against private LLCs.

[grumbler]

The "damage" you mention is, as far as I'm aware, removing less than a pro rata share of funding.  The only way that constitutes damage is if you acknowledge a de facto subsidy previously occuring, from the kids who have left to the ones who stay behind (no pun intended yuck yuck).

I don't think there's ever been a doubt that people without kids in public schools subsidize those who do have such kids.  The only way spending fire department money on subsidizing the purchase of burgler/fire alarm systems is if you acknowledge that property owners have previously subsidized the fire department's protection for tenants.

[Jacob]

Public school systems have fixed costs so an easy way of knocking a system down is to drain out people at the margin.  That's what happened in Detroit.
The "anything goes" program deVos backed in Michigan accelerated the process. Most of the charter operators are limited liability companies- they can form and compete for enrollment, and just fold up business if things don't go so well and then try again in another location or with a different marketing hook.  The result has been revolving doors where students jump from school to school.  Public schools aren't institutionally equipped to play this game against private LLCs.

This whole "just fold up business if things don't go so well" thing doesn't sound conducive to good educational outcomes for the students involved.

Seems to me that using the free market model is great for optimizing profit generation for private investors, but not necessarily ideal for optimizing other outcomes. Personally, I'm not convinced that optimizing profit generation for private investors should be the main objective of a national education system.

[Admiral Yi]

Public school systems have fixed costs so an easy way of knocking a system down is to drain out people at the margin.  That's what happened in Detroit.

I thought people just left Detroit.

Schools consolidate all the time in rural areas with shrinking populations.  Are those systems also "knocked down?"

[Syt]

John Oliver had a piece about charter schools a while ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_htSPGAY7I

Any Americans can say how accurate it is?

[grumbler]

John Oliver had a piece about charter schools a while ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_htSPGAY7I

Any Americans can say how accurate it is?

Substitute "public" for "charter" and do research designed to prove the same points about public schools, and the episode would be identical.  There are, indeed, bad schools out there.  Charter and parochial schools are more ephemeral because they cannot operate at a loss for long, but they certainly are not, on average, significantly worse than public schools.  Whether they are significantly better is unclear.

[The Minsky Moment]

I thought people just left Detroit.

Schools consolidate all the time in rural areas with shrinking populations.  Are those systems also "knocked down?"

That's part of the problem but public school enrollment has gone down much faster.  The charters have picked off lots of students.

[LaCroix]

wouldn't the schools in the more affluent areas be affected most by charter schools, and couldn't those schools handle the losses? middle class schools might lose some funding, but "knocked down" seems ehh without evidence

[Syt]

[Eddie Teach]

Hey, it worked for Vietnamese monks. 

[grumbler]

#Jump4Trump makes more sense and sounds better.

[Syt]

[Valmy]

Does your family ever post anything that is NOT a giant strawman?

[Syt]

Does your family ever post anything that is NOT a giant strawman?

Well, my gay nephews rarely post anything political, though one of them considers participating in the San Diego Women's March tomorrow.

Only my two oldest sisters, their husbands, and my niece's Army Sgt. husband are regularly posting political stuff, really.

[Razgovory]

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Anyone want to help be disprove some of this?