Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[Valmy]

Yeah that's berkut - always hesitant to express his own opinion, waiting to hear what the crowd says. 

I don't see how you inferred that from my post

You did kind of imply Berkut was brainwashed by our anti-Trumpism.

[LaCroix]

So where does the truth lie?  Where is the real Donald Trump?  And does it matter whether such a thing exists when he appears content to play his TV persona throughout?

The evidence of our senses strongly suggests there's no there there.

I think we'll find out over the next four years

[Valmy]

I think we'll find out over the next four years

If the previous 30 years didn't mean anything I don't see why the next four will.

[LaCroix]

You did kind of imply Berkut was brainwashed by our anti-Trumpism.

"brainwash" is pretty strong. it's a natural thing for beliefs to be influenced by things you read. but, minsky is suggesting I said something entirely different than that

[LaCroix]

If the previous 30 years didn't mean anything I don't see why the next four will.

some things about trump are known, like his narcissism. how exactly that will play out during his presidency is unknown.

[Oexmelin]

Clearly, for reasons unknown, you are much more reassured about the transition phase than I.

[The Minsky Moment]

So basically for Lacroix, the Trump presidency is about hope and change? 

[Oexmelin]

Yeah, but true to Trump's personality. Hope and Change for himself.

[LaCroix]

Yeah, but true to Trump's personality. Hope and Change for himself.

one can be narcissistic yet try to do good for others. iirc, it's type 2 narcissism.

[Grey Fox]

So basically for Lacroix, the Trump presidency is about hope and change? 

If you are not on the side of the Rothschild-Rockefeller coalition, of course it does.

[grumbler]

one can be narcissistic yet try to do good for others. iirc, it's type 2 narcissism.

I think that you are making this up as you go along.

[LaCroix]

I think that you are making this up as you go along.

making what up?

[Jacob]

one can be narcissistic yet try to do good for others. iirc, it's type 2 narcissism.

Is there any evidence that Trump has ever exhibited that kind of narcissism, as opposed to the grossly self-serving one?

[Valmy]

Not when he destroyed the USFL that is for sure 

[LaCroix]

depends. a person with type 2 can violate his own self-described moral ethics and moral compass through rationalization. he can lie, have affairs, etc., by justifying his actions and behaviors.

and, I checked again, and it's not "type 2 narcissism," it's narcissism traits. "narcissism" can be (1) narcissistic features, (2) narcissistic traits, or (3) full-blown narcissistic personality disorder. that's what I meant by type 2, the second one. it can involve an egocentric focus -- taking one's own opinion and belief system and using it as his norm instead of potentially listening to the advice/recommendations of others.

full-blown NPD means the narcissism causes pervasive and significant disruptions in one's life. given trump's successful business relationships and his ability to successfully navigate through social situations, among other things, I doubt he's full-blown NPD.