Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[grumbler]

No, I didn't say that.  People understood that ideas move through a population well before Dawkins came up with memes.  The scientific journal of Memes has been defunct for about a decade.  No peer-reviewed journal, no science. While the rest of the world has moved on, it remains alive amongst cranks, logical positivists, and pseudo-intellectuals on the internet

Ideas exist, memes do not.  Meme has meaning beyond simply "idea".

So a journal goes defunct and suddenly a concept with the same name doesn't exist? Memes are widely referred to in information and cognitive sciences today. Ergo they exist.

Indeed.  What is sad is that the poor academics don't even know their subject no longer exists! 

Rinkel, Sean (2013): "Crisis Memes: The Importance of Templatability to Internet Culture and Freedom of Expression" is quite recent and looks interesting.
http://www.academia.edu/2439613/Crisis_Memes_The_Importance_of_Templatability_to_Internet_Culture_and_Freedom_of_Expression

If only Raz would get out of his Ivory Basement sometimes!

[Razgovory]

No, I didn't say that.  People understood that ideas move through a population well before Dawkins came up with memes.  The scientific journal of Memes has been defunct for about a decade.  No peer-reviewed journal, no science. While the rest of the world has moved on, it remains alive amongst cranks, logical positivists, and pseudo-intellectuals on the internet

Ideas exist, memes do not.  Meme has meaning beyond simply "idea".

So a journal goes defunct and suddenly a concept with the same name doesn't exist? Memes are widely referred to in information and cognitive sciences today. Ergo they exist.

A peer-reviewed journal is the indication of an actual science.  The one more Memes closed up a decade ago.  Think of "memes" as similar to "Race".  Race is referred to in all sorts of sciences, but the world has no scientific meaning.  That of course doesn't stop the idea being used by the public at large or assorted cranks.

[Razgovory]

No, I didn't say that.  People understood that ideas move through a population well before Dawkins came up with memes.  The scientific journal of Memes has been defunct for about a decade.  No peer-reviewed journal, no science. While the rest of the world has moved on, it remains alive amongst cranks, logical positivists, and pseudo-intellectuals on the internet

Ideas exist, memes do not.  Meme has meaning beyond simply "idea".

So a journal goes defunct and suddenly a concept with the same name doesn't exist? Memes are widely referred to in information and cognitive sciences today. Ergo they exist.

Indeed.  What is sad is that the poor academics don't even know their subject no longer exists! 

Rinkel, Sean (2013): "Crisis Memes: The Importance of Templatability to Internet Culture and Freedom of Expression" is quite recent and looks interesting.
http://www.academia.edu/2439613/Crisis_Memes_The_Importance_of_Templatability_to_Internet_Culture_and_Freedom_of_Expression

If only Raz would get out of his Ivory Basement sometimes!

Published in the Journal of Popular culture?   Here's the funny part, you once agreed with my position.  I remember you saying that it was a theory of the mind not a science.

[PDH]

I refuse to argue with Raz in stupid mode. 
I refuse to argue with Raz in stupid mode. 
I refuse to argue with Raz in stupid mode. 

[Syt]

[Liep]

That's the thing I have most trouble understanding. That this billionaire playboy who stands to make more money than ever before is supposedly doing it not for power and wealth but for the common people.

[Syt]

That's the thing I have most trouble understanding. That this billionaire playboy who stands to make more money than ever before is supposedly doing it not for power and wealth but for the common people.

To quote Mencken:

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

[Admiral Yi]

That's the thing I have most trouble understanding. That this billionaire playboy who stands to make more money than ever before is supposedly doing it not for power and wealth but for the common people.

Pointing out the irrationality of Trump supporters is beating a dead horse.

What I'm more interested in, if it happens at all, is the process by which they start to turn against him.  I suspect it will be some symbolic event that causes them to flip their narrative from champion of the people to just another Washington insider.

[Barrister]

That's the thing I have most trouble understanding. That this billionaire playboy who stands to make more money than ever before is supposedly doing it not for power and wealth but for the common people.

Pointing out the irrationality of Trump supporters is beating a dead horse.

What I'm more interested in, if it happens at all, is the process by which they start to turn against him.  I suspect it will be some symbolic event that causes them to flip their narrative from champion of the people to just another Washington insider.

No, I think it'll be the massive recession that gets triggered by his raising tariffs on everyone.

[CountDeMoney]

That's the thing I have most trouble understanding. That this billionaire playboy who stands to make more money than ever before is supposedly doing it not for power and wealth but for the common people.

Who the fuck supposedly said that?  Certainly not Donald.

[garbon]

That's the thing I have most trouble understanding. That this billionaire playboy who stands to make more money than ever before is supposedly doing it not for power and wealth but for the common people.

Who the fuck supposedly said that?  Certainly not Donald.

Trump supporters vibe.

[Tamas]

His followers already had to go through the "fuck what the world says, he is awesome" phase, heck, by the primaries.

There will be a sizeable group of people who will always support him now, no matter what. You can only hope the opposition will be able to mobilise enough discontents to counter that.

[Tamas]

How can somebody be so worshipping him that creates this.... thing. FFS.

[Syt]

How can somebody be so worshipping him that creates this.... thing. FFS.

It's people who revere Trump like many revered Obama when he won the first election, and who were as afraid of Obama as, well, thinking people are worried about Trump.

[Grey Fox]

His followers already had to go through the "fuck what the world says, he is awesome" phase, heck, by the primaries.

There will be a sizeable group of people who will always support him now, no matter what. You can only hope the opposition will be able to mobilise enough discontents to counter that.

Don't oppose him too much tho, we really, really don't want him to quit.