Has Ank gone off the deep end?

[Martinus]

The idea is that after death those who did not prepare their souls in life go to a spirit prison. Proxy baptism is a way to release loved ones from this spiritual prison and allow them to continue to their afterlife in heaven.

Frankly I fail to see why whether it is done by relatives or not should matter. Besides, I think it's rarely the case that all one's relatives follow the same religion - who should then have the decisive vote?

[Jaron]

Well, part of it is that the Mormon church didn't come into being until the 19th century, so proxy baptisms allow them to offer their plan of salvation to those who lived before that time.

The point I need to emphasize is the proxy baptism does not make the relatives Mormons. Its an extension of an opportunity to accept the baptism to the soul in the afterlife. It does not in any way change the religious affiliation of the person as it exists in this life.

In the end, the decisive vote is on the person.

[Martinus]

Well, part of it is that the Mormon church didn't come into being until the 19th century, so proxy baptisms allow them to offer their plan of salvation to those who lived before that time.

The point I need to emphasize is the proxy baptism does not make the relatives Mormons. Its an extension of an opportunity to accept the baptism to the soul in the afterlife. It does not in any way change the religious affiliation of the person as it exists in this life.

In the end, the decisive vote is on the person.

Is it only used for those who lived before 19th century or also recent deceased?

[Jaron]

Well, part of it is that the Mormon church didn't come into being until the 19th century, so proxy baptisms allow them to offer their plan of salvation to those who lived before that time.

The point I need to emphasize is the proxy baptism does not make the relatives Mormons. Its an extension of an opportunity to accept the baptism to the soul in the afterlife. It does not in any way change the religious affiliation of the person as it exists in this life.

In the end, the decisive vote is on the person.

Is it only used for those who lived before 19th century or also recent deceased?

I don't know the exact rules except I'm pretty sure they should be a direct relative. Mormons go crazy with genealogy so they have a lot of records to pull names from. I'm not sure though if someone who has just died can be baptized or if there is a waiting period.

Don't worry though - you're like a brother to me and you'll be baptized IMMEDIATELY after death.

[Eddie Teach]

To me, of course, this seems indeed like nothing I could care about when I am dead so this should be treated the same way as other "crimes" against the deceased, such as necrophilia or desecration of corpses.

When you're alive, people aren't allowed to rape you or beat you, but they are allowed to talk about you.

[grumbler]

I was very careful to note that already.

Yes, there are certainly religions that do not have such a epistemology, but they don't seem to be very popular...

Hinduism isn't popular?  Who knew?

[grumbler]

Doesn't hit the nail on my head. But thanks for playing.

I never mentioned you, but thanks for playing.

[DGuller]

I'm praying for Berkut.

At least Raz realizes that he needs to start believing if his soul and happiness is to be salvaged.  Berkut hasn't even made the first step of realizing that he should be suicidal.

[DGuller]

The outrage is a little silly.  Why would an atheist care at all what someone tries to do to them after their death?

It's jut a mark of disrespect for the person's beliefs.  Dead people wouldn't care either if their corpses were militated and left outside to be snacked on by vultures, and yet we still consider it bad form.

[DGuller]

The idea is that after death those who did not prepare their souls in life go to a spirit prison. Proxy baptism is a way to release loved ones from this spiritual prison and allow them to continue to their afterlife in heaven.

Frankly I fail to see why whether it is done by relatives or not should matter. Besides, I think it's rarely the case that all one's relatives follow the same religion - who should then have the decisive vote?

Whoever's God made them live the longest.

[dps]

Well, part of it is that the Mormon church didn't come into being until the 19th century, so proxy baptisms allow them to offer their plan of salvation to those who lived before that time.

The point I need to emphasize is the proxy baptism does not make the relatives Mormons. Its an extension of an opportunity to accept the baptism to the soul in the afterlife. It does not in any way change the religious affiliation of the person as it exists in this life.

In the end, the decisive vote is on the person.

Is it only used for those who lived before 19th century or also recent deceased?

I don't know the exact rules except I'm pretty sure they should be a direct relative. Mormons go crazy with genealogy so they have a lot of records to pull names from. I'm not sure though if someone who has just died can be baptized or if there is a waiting period.

Don't worry though - you're like a brother to me and you'll be baptized IMMEDIATELY after death.

He was raised Catholic--I'm sure that he's already been baptized.

[Grinning_Colossus]

I'm making a Voodoo doll of you, Jaron.

[Maximus]

Mormons are allowed to baptize their relatives after death. The controversy comes from when they baptize someone completely unrelated to them.

It is a proxy baptism and the deceased has the choice to accept or reject it.

Allowed by whom?

[Eddie Teach]

Allowed by whom?

The US Constitution would seem to allow them to baptize relatives and non-relatives alike, since this "baptism" is little different from a Christian church deciding to pray for somebody.

It would be different if they dug the corpse out and poured water on it.

[Jaron]

Mormons are allowed to baptize their relatives after death. The controversy comes from when they baptize someone completely unrelated to them.

It is a proxy baptism and the deceased has the choice to accept or reject it.

Allowed by whom?

The church high command