If Islam is the problem, what is the solution?

[Barrister]

So, the Languish consensus is that if the problem is Islam the solution is Magic: The Gathering? 

How we we know it won't work unless we try it?

[Josquius]

One thing that particularly worries me about Islamifascism is: is it the state of things to come?  Short to mid term we might fix it but long term we look destined for mass unemployment.
In many Arab countries they're already there. Masses of unemployed young- I read an article about some Tunisian guy who decided to try and make the crossing to Italy. .. he wasn't starving or in danger in Tunisia.  He was just bored shitless. 
Now imagine a future where the same applies in western countries. Is the current upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism just the pointy end of the move towards the post employment mega city one world?

[Jaron]

Yoga flame

[Martinus]

One thing that particularly worries me about Islamifascism is: is it the state of things to come?  Short to mid term we might fix it but long term we look destined for mass unemployment.
In many Arab countries they're already there. Masses of unemployed young- I read an article about some Tunisian guy who decided to try and make the crossing to Italy. .. he wasn't starving or in danger in Tunisia.  He was just bored shitless. 
Now imagine a future where the same applies in western countries. Is the current upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism just the pointy end of the move towards the post employment mega city one world?

If you think this is bad, wait till Bangladesh experiences crop failure and mass floodings due to climate change by 2020.

[viper37]

Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution?  What do you guys propose we actually do about it?  This thread is reserved for that issue.

Compete with the Saudis.  They are funding education in the 3rd world, and even in the western world.

1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries.  All schools must conform to a state curriculum, no exception.  They can go beyond that, but never below.
2nd step is to fund secular education in the 3rd world.

Compete with the Saudis?  How much influence do the Saudis have in Quebec?

they are sending shitloads of books to libraries, financing mosques and financing radical organizations to push for islamisation of the countries they are in.

[crazy canuck]

One thing that particularly worries me about Islamifascism is: is it the state of things to come?  Short to mid term we might fix it but long term we look destined for mass unemployment.
In many Arab countries they're already there. Masses of unemployed young- I read an article about some Tunisian guy who decided to try and make the crossing to Italy. .. he wasn't starving or in danger in Tunisia.  He was just bored shitless. 
Now imagine a future where the same applies in western countries. Is the current upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism just the pointy end of the move towards the post employment mega city one world?

Iirc one of the things that has caused so much tension in the ME is a drought the severity of which is unprecedented.

[Razgovory]

Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution?  What do you guys propose we actually do about it?  This thread is reserved for that issue.

Compete with the Saudis.  They are funding education in the 3rd world, and even in the western world.

1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries.  All schools must conform to a state curriculum, no exception.  They can go beyond that, but never below.
2nd step is to fund secular education in the 3rd world.

Compete with the Saudis?  How much influence do the Saudis have in Quebec?

they are sending shitloads of books to libraries, financing mosques and financing radical organizations to push for islamisation of the countries they are in.

Give me some numbers here.  How many books are being sent to Quebec.  How much money is going to Quebec Mosques?  How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec?  A year?  A decade, help me out here.

[Grallon]

I've said it many times: nukes & chemical abroad - death camps at home - and you'll see how fast the Muslim infection can be cured.  However considering how tender your collective souls are then I suggest a complete quarantine.  Fence the vermin in until they either slaughter each other or grow up and become civilized; either way will be good.

But none of that will come to pass of course - so gird yourselves for more attacks and do spare us the subsequent bleating!



G.

[dps]

1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries. 

If step 1 is to trash free speech, I think your solution is worse than the problem.

[viper37]

Give me some numbers here.  How many books are being sent to Quebec.  How much money is going to Quebec Mosques?  How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec?  A year?  A decade, help me out here.

One among many:
https://archive.is/8VnV2

as for the islamisation of quebec, it's a long term project for these organizations and they ain't targetting "Quebec" per se.  First, they need to rally all muslims to their causes, willingly or not, then, they'll push harder, as they are doing in some parts of Europe.
For the moment, it's as far and the risk for Canada to fall under a communist coup.  Doesn't mean we should rest on our hands and let extremists have their ways.

If you want to read on the problem of radical islam:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html
http://securityobserver.org/the-arab-spring-and-the-funding-of-salafism-in-the-mena-region/
http://www.france24.com/en/20120929-how-saudi-arabia-petrodollars-finance-salafist-winter-islamism-wahhabism-egypt
http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/chinese-salafism-and-the-saudi-connection/
http://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2014/12/20/the-radicalization-of-south-asian-islam-saudi-money-and-the-spread-of-wahhabism/

[viper37]

If step 1 is to trash free speech, I think your solution is worse than the problem.

Hate speech is not covered by free speech here.  So far, it seems to have worked ok.

[viper37]

I've said it many times: nukes & chemical abroad - death camps at home - and you'll see how fast the Muslim infection can be cured.  However considering how tender your collective souls are then I suggest a complete quarantine.  Fence the vermin in until they either slaughter each other or grow up and become civilized; either way will be good.

But none of that will come to pass of course - so gird yourselves for more attacks and do spare us the subsequent bleating!



G.

There are 1.6 billion muslims all over the world.  Are there 1.6 billion criminals comprised in the 1.6 billion?

[Razgovory]

Give me some numbers here.  How many books are being sent to Quebec.  How much money is going to Quebec Mosques?  How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec?  A year?  A decade, help me out here.

One among many:
https://archive.is/8VnV2

as for the islamisation of quebec, it's a long term project for these organizations.  First, they need to rally all muslims to their causes, willingly or not, then, they'll push harder, as they are doing in some parts of Europe.
For the moment, it's as far and the risk for Canada to fall under a communist coup.  Doesn't mean we should rest on our hands and let extremists have their ways.

So many that they had to take a picture from a different country to illustrate it.   As far as I know, religion isn't a form a hate speech, I didn't know you guys even had hate speech laws.  Grallon would may need to be careful.

[Martinus]

So, the Languish consensus is that if the problem is Islam the solution is Magic: The Gathering? 

Or genocide.

[Martinus]

Give me some numbers here.  How many books are being sent to Quebec.  How much money is going to Quebec Mosques?  How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec?  A year?  A decade, help me out here.

One among many:
https://archive.is/8VnV2

as for the islamisation of quebec, it's a long term project for these organizations.  First, they need to rally all muslims to their causes, willingly or not, then, they'll push harder, as they are doing in some parts of Europe.
For the moment, it's as far and the risk for Canada to fall under a communist coup.  Doesn't mean we should rest on our hands and let extremists have their ways.

So many that they had to take a picture from a different country to illustrate it.   As far as I know, religion isn't a form a hate speech, I didn't know you guys even had hate speech laws.  Grallon would may need to be careful.

I don't think Viper is talking about Islam, but wahhabism.

At least in Europe sects can be banned for spreading a harmful message. Just look at scientology.

In any case, there is no freedom of speech in schools for children. Schools are very often regulated in terms of the type of content they can deliver to kids - for example you couldn't show pornography to children.